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			<title>Wish them the best of luck</title>
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			<description>It looks great! I hope they find some manufacturers willing to use it as a supported interface. The problem with a third party tablet OS/interface is the availability of drivers and/or general lock down of the system which would prevent KDE Active from working on many of them.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:09:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>KDE going GNOME</title>
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			<description>Hilarious. KDE going GNOME...</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:57:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Would love to have one.</title>
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			<description>I would be extremely happy to pay for a top-notch tablet that runs Plasma Active well and I would hope that it would also integrate well with my existing kde desktop.<br />
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To me KDE is the promise of Linux on the desktop fulfilled. I have not seen anything which is more intuitive or nicer to use. Perhaps, my only gripe is that the nepomuk integration and the search experience isnÂ´t quite up-to-par yet, but it will ge there.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:27:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Pretty cool.</title>
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			<description>I'm glad to see something like this in the form of an optional interface &quot;edition&quot; instead of the developers shitting all over everything that makes KDE what it is and trying to change the core desktop.  GNOME is destroying themselves by designing for specialized portable devices, and claiming that it's in the best of all users' interests, and for all types of devices; sorry, but I don't buy it.  I was originally unhappy with the KDE4 series, but it seems to be the only major desktop environment (aside from Xfce) that still has its sanity.  If only it didn't have such high system requirements... but then again, GNOME 3 even outdone them on that by requiring a working 3D card and drivers.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:47:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description>Anyone have a list of Touchscreen monitors and tablets that work well with Xorg (pref Debian6 but if Deb7 is becoming stable enough...)<br />
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Every time I have a go at dropping a distro on a device, it always dies with the lack of drivers for the touchscreens I have access to. I'd be interested in hearing what touchscreens work well.<br />
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(can't play with the new KDE touchy interface without a touchy)</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:59:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Offtopic a bit, but....</title>
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			<description>...What does organic mean in this context? I see that alot, but can never figure what is supposed to be &quot;organic.&quot;<br />
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<div class="cquote">The user interface is designed using Plasma Quick, a declarative markup language allowing for organic user interface design based on Qt Quick. </div>Edited 2011-10-11 17:35 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:33:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>ARM support</title>
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			<description>ARM support is still in development? Given the landscape of smartphones and tablets, I wonder why that wasn't the first target.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:36:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Offtopic a bit, but....</title>
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			<description>Nothing. It means nothing.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:42:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: ARM support</title>
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			<description>Because every arm chipset is different, you would basically need to take a specific board as a starting point.<br />
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For an OS's project it makes sense to productize intel first and then think of arm. Once pa goes wayland, arm support will be much easier to do because of lessrequirements imposed on drivers.<br />
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If you are interested in following up on how pa reaches different hw platforms, start tracking the Mer project.<br />
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Tl;Dr; arm sucks</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:26:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description>WeTab is pretty much the only option if you want to test the touchscreen part of it according to the devs. They're recommending a x86 tablet that is known to support meego.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:32:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: ARM support</title>
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			<description>ARM sucks? Or is it just that SoCs suck due to their specialized nature?<br />
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Also, couldn't they have taken some of the Android kernel/driver code? I guess the higher layers may have to be rebuilt, but the drivers should be in a usable state (because they are used <img src="/images/emo/smile.gif" alt=";)" /> ).</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:50:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[3]: ARM support</title>
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			<description>Android drivers will be easier to use after switch to wayland. Accelerated x11 support is hard to do if you only have Android drivers.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:55:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description>Or the viewsonic viewpad ( its x86 based)  I'm now told which makes a lot of sense and isn't too difficult to find.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:36:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: ARM support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">ARM support is still in development? Given the landscape of smartphones and tablets, I wonder why that wasn't the first target. </div><br />
You already answered the question, given the landscape of smartphones and tablets. <br />
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The issue is that apart from Nokias Maemo and Megoo phones, there are no Meego or other Linux(w/userspace) available devices. It's  only Android, lacing the Linux userspace.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:10:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: ARM support</title>
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			<description>Yeah, I can appreciate the technical problems in getting it onto today's hardware.<br />
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I really hope that ARM is a the next big development step, I think Linux likely got where it is now because it ran/runs on the common hardware. Virtually no-one I know has any x86 based phone or tablet devices, but that's not to say that it not useful to target those devices.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:39:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Luminair</title>
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			<description>&quot;Plasma Active runs on the <b>proven Linux desktop stack</b>, including the Linux kernel, Qt and KDE's Plasma Framework.&quot;<br />
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 Ugh.  Somehow that doesn't sell me on their x86 tablet idea.Edited 2011-10-11 22:01 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Thank you Nokia!</title>
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			<description>You read a lot of &quot;Nokia is dead, MeeGo is dead&quot; crap on the internet these days.<br />
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While Nokia is not fully committed to meego anymore, it is nice to see how their work on MeeGo and Qt/QtQuick have benefited the FOSS community with projects like this.</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Anyone have a list of Touchscreen monitors and tablets that work well with Xorg (pref Debian6 but if Deb7 is becoming stable enough...) Every time I have a go at dropping a distro on a device, it always dies with the lack of drivers for the touchscreens I have access to. I'd be interested in hearing what touchscreens work well. (can't play with the new KDE touchy interface without a touchy) </div><br />
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 KDE depends on a hardware abstraction layer called Solid.<br />
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 <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE4/Solid" rel="nofollow">http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE4/Solid</a> <br />
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 Plasma Active One should therefore work on all devices which are supported by Solid. It is a matter of getting the drivers working with Solid, it is not a matter of re-writing Plasma Active One to work on different devices.<br />
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<a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/kde-takes-on-android-apples-ios-on-smartphones-and-tablets/9717" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/kde-takes-on-android-apples-i...</a> <br />
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&quot;The first release of Plasma Active fully focuses on tablet computers. Plasma Active Tabletâs user experience is designed around the web, social networks and multimedia content.â Today, Plasma Active runs on MeeGo and the openSUSE-based Balsam Professional (German language site). There are also OS images for Intel-based tablets, and package builds for ARM and x86 platforms. The group is working flashable images for ARM platforms. The interface will also run on Oracleâs VirtualBox virtual machine.&quot;Edited 2011-10-11 22:14 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:06:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Luminair</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">&quot;Plasma Active runs on the <b>proven Linux desktop stack</b>, including the Linux kernel, Qt and KDE's Plasma Framework.&quot; Ugh. Somehow that doesn't sell me on their x86 tablet idea. </div><br />
   <br />
   Given the breakthrough concept of Activities:<br />
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   <a href="http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/10/activities.html" rel="nofollow">http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/10/activities.html</a>   <br />
   <br />
   coupled with the fact that a number of apps are already working with Plasma Active One, including Kontact Touch, Calligra Active, Bangarang and a collection of Active Apps, I think that Plasma Active is a far better idea for tablets than adapting a phone OS (e.g. iOS, Android) or a desktop OS (Metro).<br />
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   <a href="http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/04/plasma-active-calligra-active.html" rel="nofollow">http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/04/plasma-active-calligra-active.ht...</a>   <br />
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So it has a capable touch-enabled Office Suite included out-of-the-box.<br />
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 PS: I believe that Kontact Touch works with Exchange on the server.<br />
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 <a href="http://vizzzion.org/blog/2011/10/plasma-active-perspectives-the-app-story/" rel="nofollow">http://vizzzion.org/blog/2011/10/plasma-active-perspectives-the-app...</a>  <br />
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 &quot;In the area of groupware and email, Plasma Active really shines thanks to Kontact Touch, a mature groupware suite designed specifically for touchscreen interfaces. Kontact Touch has all the features already known from its desktop counterpart, among which a vast variety of connectors to groupware servers, among which Exchange and Kolab. For on-the-go use-cases, Kontact Touchâs offline features are a big win, making it easy to catch up on what happened during offline periods. Kontact Touchâs email client performs really well on the underpowered tablet, even for insanely large mailboxes with tens of thousands of emails.&quot;Edited 2011-10-11 22:39 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:24:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: KDE going GNOME</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Hilarious. KDE going GNOME... </div><br />
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A nice overview and (contrasting) opinion piece can be found here:<br />
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<a href="http://www.datamation.com/open-source/kdes-plasma-active-tops-gnome-3-and-unity-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.datamation.com/open-source/kdes-plasma-active-tops-gnome...</a><br />
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<b>KDE's 'Plasma Active' Tops GNOME 3 and Unity</b><br />
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<div class="cquote">&quot;Mobile devices have been influencing desktop software design for several years now. Mostly, I've not been impressed. Either the results are awkward, like GNOME 3, or over-simplified, like Ubuntu's Unity.<br />
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I had just about reached the conclusion that the mobile influence represented a step backwards in desktop design -- then I tried KDE's Plasma Active, a desktop designed for touch screen tablets, and all my assumptions were trampled underfoot.<br />
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Quite simply, Plasma Active is not only an elegant solution for small screens, but also for screens of any size. By any standards, it's an example of effective desktop design.<br />
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Unlike other recent desktops, Plasma Active is neither a conceptual re-design nor a new beginning. Rather, it is a sub-set of KDE -- a shell underlying the technology and concepts found in other incarnations of KDE.&quot; </div><br />
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Conclusion:<br />
<div class="cquote">&quot;Why does Plasma Active work so well compared to other desktops designed for mobile devices or influenced by them? A comparison suggests several answers.<br />
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First, Plasma Active emphasizes Activities, but does not compel users to set up more than one. If you choose, you can even ignore the Activities Switcher altogether, and work within a single Activity.<br />
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Should a time ever comes when you want to experiment with a more sophisticated desktop, the controls are all unobtrusively tucked away at the edges of the screen. This is a flexibility that other recent desktops simply don't offer. In the last two GNOME releases, you have no choice except to use multiple workspaces, while Unity offers only its extreme simplification. In other words, Plasma Active accomodates different levels of users in a way that its counterparts do not.<br />
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Second, Plasma Active is focused on a single view. The contents of that view changes when you change Activities, but the orientation remains unchanged. Other features like the Activity Switcher and the Recommendations tab slide out to occupy the desktop -- but only part of it, and they are easily retractable. The advantage of this design is not just that users are unlikely to become disoriented, as they are with an overview or a menu that covers the entire screen, but that Plasma Active feels uncluttered and simple.<br />
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The single view also gives Plasma Active its third advantage: unity of design. It is intended for touchscreens, but the same design that works for a sweep of a finger works almost as well for a stroke of a mouse.<br />
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Either gesture is suitable for dragging out windows from the tabs and the panel, and, once you know to look for things to pull out, you need to know very little else to discover all of the desktop's functionality. Despite the fact that Plasma Active is actually a radical departure from the standard desktop, it doesn't feel like one, because it's unified design makes it simply to use.<br />
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Plasma Active comes late to the tablet desktop, but its ingenuity might just make it a player. While other desktops have been evoking alleged design principles to justify their efforts, without any fuss KDE has quietly shown more awareness of user's needs than any of them. If nothing else, its developers manage to avoid mistaking simple for over-simplifying.<br />
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I can't remember the last time a desktop seemed both so original and so promising.&quot; </div></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:24:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Offtopic a bit, but....</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">...What does organic mean in this context? </div><br />
As I understand, &quot;organic&quot; as &quot;constitutional in the structure of something&quot;. Parts, with an structure, related to others, with norms, that form a defined &quot;organism&quot; as a whole. [<a href="http://ardictionary.com/Organic/2198" rel="nofollow">http://ardictionary.com/Organic/2198</a>].</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:48:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: KDE going GNOME</title>
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			<description>People can't use the conventional KDE user interfaces in those devices with small screens and touchscreens, but not everything must be rebuilt :-)Edited 2011-10-12 00:57 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:53:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: KDE going GNOME</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">People can't use the conventional KDE user interfaces in those devices with small screens and touchscreens, but not everything must be rebuilt :-) </div><br />
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Indeed.<br />
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Here is a review with screen-shots showing some conventional KDE applications running under Plasma Active on Meego.<br />
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<a href="http://m.zdnet.com.au/plasma-active-339323981.htm" rel="nofollow">http://m.zdnet.com.au/plasma-active-339323981.htm</a><br />
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The Plasma Active web browser, Kontact Active and Calligra Office Active have new UIs specifically for Plasma Active, but from the above screenshots it is clear that kwrite and konsole do not.</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:07:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Anyone have a list of Touchscreen monitors and tablets that work well with Xorg (pref Debian6 but if Deb7 is becoming stable enough...) Every time I have a go at dropping a distro on a device, it always dies with the lack of drivers for the touchscreens I have access to. I'd be interested in hearing what touchscreens work well. (can't play with the new KDE touchy interface without a touchy) </div><br />
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 Now that Meego is suspect, the Acer Iconia M500 looks like one good candidate to run Plasma Active instead.<br />
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 <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/acer-unveils-meego-tablet-running-on-intel-atom-cpu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/acer-unveils-meego-tablet-runnin...</a> <br />
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If not this, then perhaps the WeTab.Edited 2011-10-12 03:57 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:53:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[3]: ARM support</title>
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			<description>Well, to work as well as on x86, Linux on ARM would need two things : standard and well-documented hardware, and easy device reflashing.<br />
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   Several major phone manufacturers are opening up their bootloaders, so we're getting there on the reflashing front. But as for standard and well-documented hardware... NVidia, TI, and Qualcomm each do their own thing in their little corner, and if it has not changed since the last time I checked, the only resource which they publicly provide to OS developers are binary Android drivers.<br />
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   Probably someone will end up reverse engineering those or shoehorning them on Linux at some point, and we'll get something not very reliable and efficient like Nouveau, but for every piece of ARM hardware out there. The future of Linux on ARM, or every other alternative OS for that matter, does not look bright.Edited 2011-10-12 05:50 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 05:47:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[4]: ARM support</title>
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			<description>My only real point is a pragmatic one: grab the most common phone hardware, and use the Android/Linux stack as far as you can. You don't need source for the drivers if the binaries are present. It might not be the cleanest solution, but if they work...</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:51:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Thank you Nokia!</title>
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			<description>Mer and derivatives are to rescue.</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:53:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by shmerl</title>
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			<description>Plasma Active team had a meeting with the Mer project team ( <a href="http://mer-project.org" rel="nofollow">http://mer-project.org</a> ) , for planning how to produce an open mobile distro combining the best efforts of Mer core, and Plasma Active UI.<br />
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<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3938857/mer_pa_meeting.html" rel="nofollow">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3938857/mer_pa_meeting.html</a></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:01:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[4]: ARM support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">NVidia, TI, and Qualcomm each do their own thing in their little corner, and if it has not changed since the last time I checked, the only resource which they publicly provide to OS developers are binary Android drivers. </div><br />
True, re-flashing and some of the hardware drivers are the issues. <br />
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The hardest issue is the lack of accelerated graphics drivers, as its the key element and no easy task to develop. As for the rest of the peripherals in the SoCs, it's far less complex is somewhat better documented and there are lots of code for similar hardware that can be adapted.<br />
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The second mayor issue is the re-flashing, the complexity and the risk of bricking are a serious roadblock for most.<br />
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As for the SoC vendors, currently the best bet is to find something with a touch screen and a TI SoC(Anyone know of such a tablet?). On such a device, the issues would mainly be about the re-flashing. Since most of the drivers already have quite mature solutions, thanks to the Beagle and Panda boards.</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:20:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Offtopic a bit, but....</title>
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			<description>It means it can be adjusted to suit the environment, possibly through trial and error.</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:31:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[4]: ARM support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Well, to work as well as on x86, Linux on ARM would need two things : standard and well-documented hardware, and easy device reflashing.<br />
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      Several major phone manufacturers are opening up their bootloaders, so we're getting there on the reflashing front. But as for standard and well-documented hardware... NVidia, TI, and Qualcomm each do their own thing in their little corner, and if it has not changed since the last time I checked, the only resource which they publicly provide to OS developers are binary Android drivers.<br />
      <br />
      Probably someone will end up reverse engineering those or shoehorning them on Linux at some point, and we'll get something not very reliable and efficient like Nouveau, but for every piece of ARM hardware out there. The future of Linux on ARM, or every other alternative OS for that matter, does not look bright. </div><br />
   <br />
   <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=OTgzNg" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=OTgzNg</a>   <br />
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   <b>Samsung Puts Out New Open-Source ARM DRM Driver</b><br />
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  <i>&quot;Samsung has published the code to a new open-source DRM driver for its EXYNOS4210 System-On-a-Chip. The EXYNOS4210 has impressive 3D graphics capabilities, uses the dual-core ARM Cortex A9 processor, and is used in various smart-phones. The Samsung Galaxy S II is one of the smart-phones using the Exynos 4210 SoC. Samsung is hoping to push this DRM driver into the mainline Linux kernel.&quot;</i><br />
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Outside of ARM<br />
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<a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=OTg3MA" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=OTg3MA</a> <br />
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<b>Texas Instruments Has New Open-Source Driver</b><br />
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<i>&quot;While Texas Instruments released an open-source driver last year for the Linux kernel within the DRM area (the TILER driver), it didn't make it into the mainline tree for the lack of open-source user-space applications/drivers that could take advantage of it, i.e. the usual ARM graphics mess. Yesterday, however, Texas Instruments released a new open-source DRM driver for their OMAP platforms.&quot;</i>Edited 2011-10-12 13:09 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Pretty cool.</title>
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			<description>I couldn't agree more. I think for the KDE desktop edition performance is good enough to take with more or less current hardware but for the KDE active edition they will definitive need to tweak for performance and battery-lifetime. That is good news cause I would expect that KDE desktop will profit from such tweaks too.<br />
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Just awesome.</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:51:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Offtopic a bit, but....</title>
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			<description><a href="http://www.organicui.org/?page_id=71" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicui.org/?page_id=71</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_user_interface" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_user_interface</a></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:57:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Luminair</title>
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			<description>The proven Linux desktop stack refers to X11. Unproven seems to mean Wayland or whatever else is out there (Android? Framebuffer? console ascii art?).<br />
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Taken into account that Meego is build on that proven Linux desktop stack and so is Balsam it somehow makes sense to focus on that first.<br />
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Seems the plan is to get support for Wayland done in 2012. See <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&amp;item=wayland_kde_2012&amp;num=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&amp;item=wayland_kde_...</a></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[5]: ARM support</title>
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			<description>I believe Android drivers cannot be used directly on a kernel, without some kind of emulation. The two kernels are already sufficiently far away from each other to make drivers incompatible.<br />
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 Seems like I had forgotten that TI do provide Linux drivers though. That's already something.Edited 2011-10-12 16:48 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:46:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Luminair</title>
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			<description>It can run on ARM as well.</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:09:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description>I'll have to look into those. I've been looking at touchscreen monitors but these days, a tablet is just as good for what I want to do; ultimately, my own minimal install to support a thinclient kind of thing around the house. (No need for a full rig setup just to provide a remote display of a web-app and keyboard/mouse setups don't really cut it around the kitchen and such.)</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:19:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[5]: ARM support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Outside of ARM <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=OTg3MA" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=OTg3MA</a>  <b>Texas Instruments Has New Open-Source Driver</b> <i>&quot;While Texas Instruments released an open-source driver last year for the Linux kernel within the DRM area (the TILER driver), it didn't make it into the mainline tree for the lack of open-source user-space applications/drivers that could take advantage of it, i.e. the usual ARM graphics mess. Yesterday, however, Texas Instruments released a new open-source DRM driver for their OMAP platforms.&quot;</i> </div><br />
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 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP</a> <br />
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 I'm sorry about that, I got it wrong.<br />
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 <i>&quot;Texas Instruments OMAP (Open Multimedia Application Platform) is a category of proprietary system on chips (SoCs) for portable and mobile multimedia applications developed by Texas Instruments. OMAP devices generally include a general-purpose ARM architecture processor core plus one or more specialized co-processors.&quot;</i><br />
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 OMAP platform SoCs apparently have ARM cores.<br />
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 OMAP 4 - The 4th generation OMAPs, OMAP4430, 4460 and 4470 all use dual-core ARM Cortex-A9s. All OMAP 4 comes with an IVA3 multimedia hardware accelerator with a programmable DSP that enables 1080p Full HD and multi-standard video encode/decode.<br />
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 OMAP 5 - The 5th generation OMAP, OMAP 5 SoC uses a dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 CPU with two additional ARM Cortex-M4 cores to offload the A15s in less computionally intensive tasks to increase power efficiency, two PowerVR SGX544MP graphics cores and a dedicated TI 2D BitBlt graphics accelerator, a multi-pipe display sub-system and a signal processor. They respectively support 24 and 20-megapixel cameras for front and rear 3D HD video recording. The chip also supports up to 8GB of dual channel DDR3 memory, output to four HD 3D displays and 3D HDMI 1.4 video output. OMAP 5 also includes 3 USB 2.0 ports and a SATA 2.0 controller.<br />
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Wow.Edited 2011-10-12 21:57 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:56:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[6]: ARM support</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">I believe Android drivers cannot be used directly on a kernel, without some kind of emulation. The two kernels are already sufficiently far away from each other to make drivers incompatible. Seems like I had forgotten that TI do provide Linux drivers though. That's already something. </div><br />
 <br />
 I was looking for an actual tablet based on the TI OMAP platform, and I came up with this:<br />
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 <a href="http://www.slashgear.com/texas-instruments-blaze-tablet-available-this-august-2491480/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slashgear.com/texas-instruments-blaze-tablet-available-t...</a> <br />
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 Unfortunately, TI's Blaze tablet is not for the budget concious:<br />
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 <a href="http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=1478" rel="nofollow">http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=1478</a> <br />
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 ... but it would be very cool to run Plasma Active on such a device (if you had one), would it not?<br />
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Perhaps the TI Blaze is a foretaste of what may be possible (at a more reasonable price) quite soon.Edited 2011-10-12 23:58 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:56:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[7]: ARM support - TI OMAP tablets</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">I was looking for an actual tablet based on the TI OMAP platform </div><br />
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With better search terms I found a few at least with a little more reasonable affordability:<br />
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The Lenovo IdeaPad A1 Now Selling for $199<br />
<a href="http://www.tomsguide.com/us/IdeaPad-Gingerbread-OMAP-Kindle-Fire-Pre-Order,news-12805.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomsguide.com/us/IdeaPad-Gingerbread-OMAP-Kindle-Fire-Pr...</a><br />
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The Droid Bionic, LG Thrill/Optimus 3D, and Droid 3<br />
<a href="http://www.androidauthority.com/android-ice-cream-sandwich-coming-late-october-omap-4-devices-to-get-it-first-24659/" rel="nofollow">http://www.androidauthority.com/android-ice-cream-sandwich-coming-l...</a><br />
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Archos Sub-$400 &quot;G9&quot; Tablets<br />
<a href="http://hothardware.com/News/Archos-To-Ship-Sub400-G9-Tablets-With-Android-32/" rel="nofollow">http://hothardware.com/News/Archos-To-Ship-Sub400-G9-Tablets-With-A...</a></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:17:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: KDE going GNOME</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">People can't use the conventional KDE user interfaces in those devices with small screens and touchscreens, but not everything must be rebuilt :-) </div><br />
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Hrm, interesting.  It's like plasma-netbook done even better. Will have to check it out.</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:33:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Touchscreen support</title>
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			<description>Or ExoPC, since it's the exact same hardware. <img src="/images/emo/smile.gif" alt=";)" /> <br />
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  Unfortunately both of these systems only support 2 simultaneous touch points, which limits the range of applications that can be developed for them. On the plus side, they're cheap, especially the WeTab. <img src="/images/emo/smile.gif" alt=";)" /> Edited 2011-10-13 01:37 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:37:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote">seems to be the only major desktop environment (aside from Xfce) that still has its sanity </div><br />
  LXDE is at the very least becoming major (check out position of Lubuntu vs. Kubuntu or Xubuntu on Distrowatch), and it's rather sane.Edited 2011-10-18 23:44 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:43:00 GMT</pubDate>
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