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			<title>the market disagrees</title>
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			<description>Samsung's price is up 4% and Apple's is down 3%. This suggests that Apple is in more trouble than Samsung.</description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 23:03:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: the market disagrees</title>
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			<description>Investors are worse than the parties involved - they can't even be labelled as squabbling kids.<br />
They are panicky idiots most of the time.</description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 23:23:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">And let's face it - not a single consumer benefits from the two companies blocking each other's products from the market, or from the fact they're wasting money on this instead of on actually, you know, making products.<br />
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 Let's hope the EC tears both companies a new one. I'm sick of this anti-consumer bull%$&amp;#. </div><br />
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 Apple's strategic aim is not to block anybody's products per se. Apple's aim is to retain differentiation of it's products through preventing what it sees as copying of elements of it's designs that it has patented or which it feels it owns.<br />
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 Leaving aside whether one thinks Apple is correct in it's view or justified in it's actions the principle that companies cannot simply adopt another company's patented or copyrighted technology or designs or innovations without permission whenever they feel like doing so is a principal that supports innovation. If innovation never brings any advantage in the market place because one's innovation can immediately be stolen or copied then why bother? Allowing unlimited or unconstrained copying will kill innovation because innovation will no longer bring any market or business advantage.<br />
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 It is surely essential for innovation that being innovative brings something other than fleeting advantage, something more than a momentary advantage that only lasts until your competitors can copy anything you have created or invented. Being innovative is difficult, costly and demanding. Innovation will only happen if it leads to some advantage.<br />
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 I welcome the patent wars, there are always patent wars at moments of great change and inflection because it during such periods of intense change that innovation and invention become most valuable. Let them all fight it out, let's support the principal of the protecting of IP and let the courts, the lawyers and juries decide who has a case or who doesn't.Edited 2011-11-05 00:44 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:43:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description>You make a spoon, and I'll make a spoon. I'll see you in court if yours looks or functions remotely similar to mine.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:49:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Sure it's FRAND patents</title>
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			<description>I haven't been following this in any detail but I've heard Samsung was not using FRAND patents, but other related patents that are not part of the standards.<br />
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They'll all kiss and make up eventually - big companies suing one another is not exactly new.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 02:45:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: the market disagrees</title>
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			<description>A ban on iOS devices would be an unmitigated disaster for Apple.<br />
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Samsung without Android is still a $300 billion corporation. <br />
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That is how the markets think.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:10:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Apple's strategic aim is not to block anybody's products per se. Apple's aim is to retain differentiation of it's products through preventing what it sees as copying of elements of it's designs that it has patented or which it feels it owns. </div><br />
  <br />
  Totally wrong. Apple has adopted an ultra risky portable device strategy which is rapidly evolving into a potential catastrophe. Obviously Steve Jobs learned nothing from the original Mac fiasco.<br />
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  Apple is now facing a slew of Android devices that cover every market segment from top to bottom.<br />
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  In Australia at the moment the price discrepancy for similar products is huge.<br />
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  - LG Optimus Spirit unlocked - $149<br />
 - Samusng Galaxy 5 unlocked -$99<br />
  - Apple 3GS unlocked -$ 429<br />
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  - Motorola Xoom 32GB -$499<br />
  - iPad 32GB 32GB (wifi +3g) - $839<br />
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  - Samsung Galaxy S2 unlocked - $549<br />
  - iPhone 4S unlocked - $899 <br />
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  Telstra - Australia's largest Telco - sells unlocked  Telstra (Huawei) Smart-Touch Android phones for $79. This is cheap enough to give to a child. <br />
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  Apple is panicking because they know they will get absolutely clobbered within two years (I predict much sooner). The lawsuits are merely the desperate actions of a company that suddenly realises they can't compete on price and have no compelling technology to attract buyers.Edited 2011-11-05 04:57 UTC</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:56:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">It is surely essential for innovation that being innovative brings something other than fleeting advantage, something more than a momentary advantage that only lasts until your competitors can copy anything you have created or invented. Being innovative is difficult, costly and demanding. Innovation will only happen if it leads to some advantage. </div><br />
Ipod and Iphone weren't popular because of innovation. They were popular because of the complete package. And that is how most products compete with each other.<br />
Having a big touchscreen instead of buttons isn't innovative by the way it is completely obvious.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 06:31:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>Double standards</title>
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			<description>How is this fair?<br />
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Company invents technology essential to mobile phone industry ... has to share it with everyone.<br />
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Apple invents a rectangle ... gets to sue everyone over it.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 07:22:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description>AFAIK the Star Trek Tricorder had a big touchscreen back in 1966.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 07:27:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote"><br />
Ipod and Iphone weren't popular because of innovation.<br />
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Sure it was. Have you ever used MP3 players from the time before the iPod came out? I have. If you had, you'd remember how awkward they were. The iPod was a delight to use in comparison. It had simple controls trough an innovative click-wheel which made navigating it a breeze. It held a lot more songs due to its unique tiny hard disk, and it was well built.<br />
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Having a big touchscreen instead of buttons isn't innovative by the way it is completely obvious.<br />
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If it was completely obvious, why didn't anyone else think of bringing it to market in the way as the iPhone did? Before the iPhone, almost all smartphones had buttons. Many executives laughed at the fact the iPhone didn't have any. Nowadays you'll be hard pressed to find an Android which still has a keyboard.<br />
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Its easy to state something is obvious after it has happened. People seem to forget that there actually was a time where we didn't have the current form factor and functionality in a mobile computing device.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:01:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description>I'm Ford, I make a car design, patent it, <b></b>and bring it to market. You're Hyundai, you see my car and you make a very similar one who's design only faintly differs from mine. Since you didn't have to prototype the design like I did, you were able to cut R&amp;D costs to a great margin because I essentially designed it for you. So when you take your car to market you're able to undercut my profits. I take you to court. Let's see who wins.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:14:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">AFAIK the Star Trek Tricorder had a big touchscreen back in 1966. </div><br />
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But we'll probably never know if it had multitouch, slide to unlock, inertial scrolling or an App Store. <img src="/images/emo/grin.gif" alt=";)" /></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:18:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>One thing that European Commission should do</title>
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			<description>There's only one thing EC should do and that is abolish software patents. Make it EU law and mandatory for all member states. I don't give 2 cents about what one dutch judge may or may not say.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 18:06:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Have you ever used MP3 players from the time before the iPod came out? I have. </div><br />
Yes. iPod made it easier for normal people to put music on the mp3player. It changed nothing for me. I also had a harddisk mp3 player before the ipod.<br />
<div class="cquote">If it was completely obvious, why didn't anyone else think of bringing it to market in the way as the iPhone did? </div><br />
Changes often occur because a device is used differently or a new technique becomes cheap enough. If you want to use a device to listen to music, browse the web, have apps and be used as a phone how many choices do you have for formfactor?<br />
Just because most phone vendors were being stupid doesn't make Apple brilliant.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:14:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[4]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Yes. iPod made it easier for normal people to put music on the mp3player. It changed nothing for me. I also had a harddisk mp3 player before the ipod. </div><br />
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I watched the market for a couple of years, wanting to buy an MP3 player. I'm choosy, and when I'm uncertain, I end up not buying anything. Back in the day when I first looked, you had either these tiny storage space devices with tiny displays, or bulky ones with enough space that weighed like a brick. When I saw the iPod, I knew instantly it was the device I had been looking for. At the time it was launched, it made the best trade offs between space and size.<br />
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<div class="cquote">Changes often occur because a device is used differently or a new technique becomes cheap enough. </div><br />
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Component price is closely related to its volume. Larger volumes make cheaper components. To achieve volumes, you need products which are appealing enough to customers. A new component is worthless without an application, it will just end up as being an interesting footnote in the history of components. So good products drive the component market more than most people realize.<br />
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<div class="cquote">If you want to use a device to listen to music, browse the web, have apps and be used as a phone how many choices do you have for formfactor? </div><br />
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Lack of imagination inhibits lack of possibility. You'll never find out if everyone just does the same thing. The Blackberry has internet, apps, and is a phone. It was a successful product in its day. Yet the iPhone didn't copy the Blackberry. they made a new design instead. <br />
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<div class="cquote">Just because most phone vendors were being stupid doesn't make Apple brilliant. </div><br />
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One could argument that brilliance is relative to one's surroundings, but thats another matter. <img src="/images/emo/smile.gif" alt=";)" /> <br />
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When it comes to third party components, I do think it takes a not unreasonable amount of brilliance to recognize and value them, realize what they are capable of, and have the insight in putting them together in a new product.</description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:25:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>Yeah, it even had an app store and ran an early beta of iOS 6.<br />
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And it was made of wood.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>The CD player was patented in 1969. It reached the market in 1981. The delay was due to the fact that the hardware was too expensive to build  any earlier. <br />
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Dick Tracy had a two way wrist radio back in 1946 and a wrist TV in 1964. back in the 1940s.<br />
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Someone had probably thought of some type of  touchscreen mobile phone by the 1960s.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:49:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description>This is related to a rather public trial on a publicly visible issue within the EU. So whatever you might think, there is a lot of place for public comments. If you remember, the laws aren't created by labrats and handed down to us on tablets.<br />
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<div class="cquote">It is surely essential for innovation that being innovative brings something other than fleeting advantage, something more than a momentary advantage that only lasts until your competitors can copy anything you have created or invented. Being innovative is difficult, costly and demanding. Innovation will only happen if it leads to some advantage. </div><br />
Sorry to break it to you, but innovation is not patentable by legal definition. In reality some insane patent offices issue patents for innovations and disregard the requirement for an inventive step, but that is another issue.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:34:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[3]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">I'm Ford, I make a car design, patent it, <b></b>and bring it to market. You're Hyundai, you see my car and you make a very similar one who's design only faintly differs from mine. Since you didn't have to prototype the design like I did, you were able to cut R&amp;amp;D costs to a great margin because I essentially designed it for you. So when you take your car to market you're able to undercut my profits. I take you to court. Let's see who wins. </div><br />
How much you sunk into R&amp;D is not a measure by which patents are granted nor should be granted.<br />
And please, please, please.... Hardware related patents are in a totally different universe to intangible IP. They are much easier to define, identify and protect.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:39:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote">If it was completely obvious, why didn't anyone else think of bringing it to market in the way as the iPhone did?"<i><br />
That alone does not merit any kind of protection, much less a 20year one. There are hundreds of innovations being brought into hundreds of markets ever year; that does not mean iPhone was something out of the ordinary except for the size of the market.<br />
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 </div>Before the iPhone, almost all smartphones had buttons. Many executives laughed at the fact the iPhone didn't have any. Nowadays you'll be hard pressed to find an Android which still has a keyboard. </i>"<br />
Finder touch oriented UI - I will give that to Apple. For bringing it to the market that is, not inventing it or anything even remotely similar.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:45:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[4]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote">The CD player was patented in 1969. It reached the market in 1981. The delay was due to the fact that the hardware was too expensive to build  any earlier. <br />
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Dick Tracy had a two way wrist radio back in 1946 and a wrist TV in 1964. back in the 1940s.<br />
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Someone had probably thought of some type of  touchscreen mobile phone by the 1960s. </div><br />
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What are you trying to say? CD players aren't iPods. wrist radios aren't either.<br />
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Its a big difference between thinking something up and actually building it. In fact I can imagine a computer that will plug into a socket after my ear, after which my brain is instantly connected to the internet. No screen, keyboard, or touchscreen required. The computer in itself is as big as a mentos and has 50 TB of solid state storage. Knowing how to turn that vision into a real product however, is the difference between sci-fi and the real world.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>RE[2]: Comment by Tony Swash</title>
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			<description><div class="cquote"><br />
Sorry to break it to you, but innovation is not patentable by legal definition. </div><br />
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Practical designs are. An innovative product is characterized by a clever implementation. The Apple disk II was characterized by a clever design because it used fewer chips and so it ended up being cheaper to produce.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:34:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote"><br />
And please, please, please.... Hardware related patents are in a totally different universe to intangible IP.  </div><br />
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So hardware deserves protection, and software doesn't?<br />
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Innovative designs on a hardware level are valuable, but on the software level they aren't?<br />
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You're valued and appreciated as a hardware company, but you're dismissed as worthless as a software company?<br />
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With more and more innovations being built around software, rather than hardware, I think thats selling a lot of people short.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:40:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>Apple is the biggest company (by market cap) on the planet. It is the most valuable brand on the planet. It makes the most profit of any other company on the planet in handsets, tables, computers, displays, music, etc. It has the best customer service (as voted by actual customers) for an untold number of years. It has the strongest customer loyalty (especially in mobile devices). It makes the most money per retail square foot of any company on the planet. It commands 60% of mobile OS traffic.<br />
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I could go on here.<br />
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Clearly those are indicators of a disaster waiting to happen.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:25:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Apple is the biggest company (by market cap) on the planet. It is the most valuable brand on the planet. </div> <br />
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 <b>So was GE a decade ago. It is now down around 80% in inflation adjusted terms.</b><br />
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 <div class="cquote">It makes the most profit of any other company on the planet in handsets, tables, computers, displays, music, etc. It has the best customer service (as voted by actual customers) for an untold number of years. It has the strongest customer loyalty (especially in mobile devices). </div><br />
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 <b>Sounds just like RIM in 2007. Rim is currently facing disaster.</b><br />
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 <div class="cquote">I could go on here.<br />
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 Clearly those are indicators of a disaster waiting to happen. </div><br />
 <br />
 <b>Companies are frequently extremely profitable and growing rapidly just before they collapse. eg Enron.</b><br />
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 <i>Apple Inc. is currently rated as having Very Aggressive Accounting &amp; Governance Risk (AGR). This places them in the 8th percentile among all companies, indicating higher Accounting &amp; Governance Risk (AGR) than 92% of companies.<br />
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 AGR scores are based on statistical analysis of accounting and governance risk factors. Lower scores indicate heightened corporate integrity risk, indicating an increased likelihood of future class action litigation, material financial restatements or impaired equity performance.</i><br />
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 <a href="http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/AccountingRisk.do?tkr=AAPL" rel="nofollow">http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/AccountingRisk.do?tkr=AAPL</a> <br />
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 <b>Translation: Apple is at very high risk of going belly up.</b>Edited 2011-11-06 23:31 UTC</description>
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			<description>The Honda Jazz and Mitsubishi Colt are blatant copies of the Mercedes A Class. The Lexus I series are copies of 3 series BMWs. <br />
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No one gets sued in the car industry for copying designs. They swap IP readily. They only sue over trademarks.</description>
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			<description>Companies typically plan products many years ahead. Once the technology becomes cheap enough they build. <br />
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 Cheap touchscreens became available so touchscreen phones were marketed.<br />
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 The iPod and Mac designs design were blatantly stolen from 1960s Braun catalogues. <br />
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 The iPad is a direct copy of the 1987 Knight-Ridder concept tablet.<br />
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 The iPhone is a copy of the LG Prada.Edited 2011-11-06 23:51 UTC</description>
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			<description>The LG Prada had a touchscreen before the iPhone.<br />
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Android began <b>two years</b> before iOS.</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:50:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote">They swap IP readily. They only sue over trademarks. </div><br />
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I'd like to see you bring to market a Lexus which looks almost exactly the same inside out like a BMW 3 and not get sued by BMW.<br />
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Swapping IP doesn't come without a price. Its still up to the individual IP holder if they're willing to swap it or not. If they don't, you need to respect that, not do it anyway and not pay anything.</description>
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			<description><div class="cquote">The LG Prada had a touchscreen before the iPhone.<br />
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Android began <b>two years</b> before iOS. </div><br />
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Yeah, and for two years, it looked like a cheap knockoff of a BlackBerry. Then the iPhone came along, and they adopted the look and feel of an iPhone knockoff.</description>
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			<description><div class="cquote"><br />
  The iPod and Mac designs design were blatantly stolen from 1960s Braun catalogues.  </div><br />
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 I didn't know Braun was in the computer and mp3 player business in the 60's. <img src="/images/emo/grin.gif" alt=";)" /> <br />
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 FrogDesign developed the original Mac case. Jonathan ive designed the iPod case.<br />
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  The iPad is a direct copy of the 1987 Knight-Ridder concept tablet.<br />
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 LOL<br />
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 <div class="cquote">The iPhone is a copy of the LG Prada. </div><br />
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 The Prada was announced one month before the iPhone. Its quite daft to say it copied the Prada, since the iPhone had been in development for at least 2 years before that.Edited 2011-11-07 00:59 UTC</description>
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			<description>Android tablets have been a dud in the marketplace sofar. Have you ever used a Xoom? Its a piece of shit.</description>
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			<description>Total BS. There are demonstration videos of Android running a touchscreens GUI long before the iPhone was announced.<br />
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BTW When is your messiah Steve Jobs going to be resurrected?Edited 2011-11-07 05:01 UTC</description>
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			<description><div class="cquote">So hardware deserves protection, and software doesn't?<br />
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Innovative designs on a hardware level are valuable, but on the software level they aren't?<br />
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You're valued and appreciated as a hardware company, but you're dismissed as worthless as a software company?<br />
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With more and more innovations being built around software, rather than hardware, I think thats selling a lot of people short. </div><br />
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How the ***** did you come to that conclusion? <i>Reduction ad absurdum</i> will not help in this case, since I've been in the US patent game and know it from the inside. Those are some benefits of working at IBM(formerly).<br />
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Then I must be selling myself short. And my profession. And so on...<br />
Don't be ridiculous...</description>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Total BS. There are demonstration videos of Android running a touchscreens GUI long before the iPhone was announced.<br />
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No there weren't. Prior to the iPhone, there wasn't any noteworthy touch functionality present in Android.<br />
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Let me show you some prototypes of Android :<br />
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<a href="http://media.techeblog.com/images/androidlive_1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://media.techeblog.com/images/androidlive_1.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/google-android-prototype-487x500.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/google-android-...</a><br />
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Pretty much seems like a Blackberry to me.<br />
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It seems zealotry pretty much causes acute myopia.</description>
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			<description><div class="cquote">Don't be ridiculous... </div><br />
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So patents aren't ridiculous either. Don't throw away the child with the bathwater.</description>
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			<description><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg#!" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg#!</a><br />
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There were 2 prototypes: blackberry like one and iphone like one (starting from 3 minute mark).</description>
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			<description>Android demonstrated both GUI and keypad versions of their OS before the iPhone was released.<br />
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Some Android phones still offer keypads.<br />
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You are the only zealot making unfounded statements.</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:35:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote">FrogDesign developed the original Mac case. Jonathan ive designed the iPod case. </div><br />
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BS.<br />
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The Apple designs are blatant copies of designs by 1960s German designer Dieter Rams.<br />
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<a href="http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future" rel="nofollow">http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-...</a><br />
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Apple is a corporation that has always stolen and dishonestly appropriated other people ideas and claimed them as their own - GUI and mouse(Xerox), OSX (BSD) etc. <br />
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Stebve Jobs was a liar, sociopath, thief and criminal (all detailed in Isaacson's biography). Jobs offensive personality and his dubious &quot;values&quot; have permeated every pore of the Apple culture.</description>
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			<description>So Apple travels back in time to compete with CRT TV's, closets and radiators? WOW! I wasn't aware of that.<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_Design_Inc" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_Design_Inc</a>.</description>
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			<description>That video was from 2008. And you can see clearly from the video the touch screen functionality is very early stages and its basically still the button-based UI with some modifications.<br />
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I guess Android can't compete unless it leeches on other, successful designs.</description>
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			<description><div class="cquote">The Apple designs are blatant copies of designs by 1960s German designer Dieter Rams.<br />
 </div><br />
You're deluded. Besides, Apple doesn't even compete with Braun. Google competes with Apple directly.<br />
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GUI and mouse (Xerox) : Its not stealing when the original company gave it to you. They didn't stole it. they worked out a deal and got shares. Xerox, however, did not get any shares from Microsoft after copying the Mac UI, nor did Apple, for that matter.<br />
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OSX (BSD) etc : Any commercial product is entitled to use BSD as a basis for their products. Why wouldn't Apple be excluded? Besides, they also open source quite a bit of their own stuff.</description>
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			<description>In the current state we are better off without any form of software patent till something acceptable is on the table.<br />
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And being afraid to throw away a dead baby with the infected bathwater will only lead to more contamination.<br />
(The dead baby is the software patent, infected water is the current system)</description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:49:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><div class="cquote">And being afraid to throw away a dead baby with the infected bathwater will only lead to more contamination.<br />
(The dead baby is the software patent, infected water is the current system) </div><br />
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Who says throwing away dead babies and infected badwater won't lead to global contamination? <br />
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Seriously though, it won't happen and you know it. <img src="/images/emo/smile.gif" alt=";)" /></description>
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			<description>It will not stop me from talking about it and will definitely not stop me talking to my MEP acquaintances and my parliamentarians.<br />
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I can't leave the decision to uneducated people, it's better that they know both sides of the story rather than one.</description>
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