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Main features of EDE are [...] familiar look and feel.


Familiar if you haven't upgraded your Windows installation in 15 years, anyway :-)Edited 2012-05-21 01:27 UTC Mon, 21 May 2012 01:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (snfgd) Comments RE: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518743 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518743 There's something charming about an old school, no frills, GUI. "Modern" GUIs are suited for people with messy/disorganized minds, which is most people. Other people have no problems with a hierarchically structured user interface for general purpose use.

For ease of use, I like modern GUIs, but I also prefer the speed of use of a more structured interface for things I do all the time. Mon, 21 May 2012 02:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kwan_e) Comments RE[2]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518744 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518744 True.

And then, for those of us who have organized minds but are shallow enough to insist on a good-looking desktop, there's LXDE with a theme like the Lubuntu default. ;P

The sad thing is that my brother's Win7 setup (dual-boot gamer) still looks like that because it's the only alternative to bogging things down with Aero.Edited 2012-05-21 02:24 UTC Mon, 21 May 2012 02:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ssokolow) Comments RE: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518745 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518745 14 years Mon, 21 May 2012 02:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Elv13) Comments familiar look and feel??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?518747 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518747 Why the f#?k is that "familiar look and feel" automatically means Windows 95???

FYI, some of us have actually used something other that Windows 95 and its progeny or visual clones. Mon, 21 May 2012 03:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MacMan) Comments RE: familiar look and feel??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?518749 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518749
Why the f#?k is that "familiar look and feel" automatically means Windows 95???

FYI, some of us have actually used something other that Windows 95 and its progeny or visual clones.


Of course, that alone automagically makes it "unfamiliar look and feel". They should be ashamed for not using 5 sigma descriptions of the true DE landscape representation.

Bad DE, bad! Mon, 21 May 2012 03:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kwan_e) Comments Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?518763 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518763 Wow, that's a great news! I remember using EDE back in the years. It was kinda buggy, but going into right direction IMHO. I am now using XFCE, as it shares kinda same concept of desktop simplicity and integrity. One of the great weaknesess of EDE was FLTK, but it still looks pretty damn classy good.
I'm glad EDE incorporates PekWM which I find very good WM. Let's see how it works for this DE. Mon, 21 May 2012 06:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (marcp) Comments Comment by BBAP http://www.osnews.com/thread?518776 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518776 Yeah why always Win9x, why not System 6/7? [snort] Mon, 21 May 2012 08:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bringbackanonposting) Comments RE[3]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518799 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518799 And then, for those of us who have organized minds but are shallow enough to insist on a amazingly good-looking desktop there is gnome shell 3.4 Mon, 21 May 2012 10:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Coxy) Comments RE[2]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518806 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518806 There's something charming about Windows 95 look and feel? Mon, 21 May 2012 11:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nadiasvertex) Comments RE: Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?518807 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518807 Windows 95 looks classy? Mon, 21 May 2012 11:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nadiasvertex) Comments RE: familiar look and feel??? http://www.osnews.com/thread?518817 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518817
Why the f#?k is that "familiar look and feel" automatically means Windows 95???
FYI, some of us have actually used something other that Windows 95 and its progeny or visual clones.

And yet you immediately recognized it. And I'm fairly certain you could smoothly jump into using it (also because you most likely had plenty of practice with using such UI, considering how ubiquitous it is, how one is "forced" to use it from time to time)

That is exactly what "familiar look and feel" means - not whether or not it's the look of your personally preferred darling from the old days.Edited 2012-05-21 12:55 UTC Mon, 21 May 2012 12:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments RE[2]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518818 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518818 OCD is hardly a virtue... ;p Mon, 21 May 2012 12:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments RE[3]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518819 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518819
There's something charming about Windows 95 look and feel?


Yes. In the same way a lot of classic cars have a "charm" about them, but they run like a dog in their heyday. Mon, 21 May 2012 13:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kwan_e) Comments RE[3]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518820 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518820
OCD is hardly a virtue... ;p


Sorry, I didn't realize basic organization skills is OCD. And here I thought organizing files by purpose and type was a rational thing to do. Where I'm from, you have to keep your tax related stuff for at least 5 years, but now that you mention it, it does seem pretty silly to keep them all in one place and labelled rather than strewn about. Mon, 21 May 2012 13:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kwan_e) Comments RE[4]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518823 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518823 Well OCD is a spectrum (quantitative not qualitative, disorder not illness; tons of people have it to some degree ...enough for majority of them to fall, in fact, under "most people" "with messy/disorganized minds" label; it's most likely adaptive to a point)

But see, contrasting those two UI approaches seems like going where "hierarchically structured user interface for general purpose use" is no longer a virtue. They are not exclusive like that, they're complementary - rationally "organizing files by purpose and type" would seem to mean keeping track of what's important, sure, but also knowing what's trash and letting "modern GUIs" more or less handle it.

(but most importantly, overall, I use smileys for a reason) Mon, 21 May 2012 14:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments Fire up the delorean http://www.osnews.com/thread?518833 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518833 Anyone else start hearing that hughey lewis song "back in time" as soon as you saw the screenshot? Mon, 21 May 2012 16:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (blahbl4hblah) Comments RE: Comment by BBAP http://www.osnews.com/thread?518847 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518847
Yeah why always Win9x, why not System 6/7? [snort]


Yes, and for others, XFCE 3 mimicking CDE would be "familiar look and feel" (as CDE was the common dersktop environment on many UNIXes, such as Solaris, HP-UX or AIX). I even had customers who insisted on having XFCE 3 installed because CDE was what they knew and wanted to keep the "familiar look and feel" even on a Linux platform with a different set of (native) applications. They did love it!

For the graphics department, IRIX's desktop might have been considered the "familiar look and feel", similarly for long-time Mac users where pre-OSX might have been considered the typical expectation.

Since "Windows" has become the omnipresent "look and feel" in corporate and therefore home installations (and vice versa), it is often considered the "familiar look and feel" for everyone. But luckily, there are exceptions for those who have never been spoiled with the strange concept "Windows" has about how GUIs should be.

"Familiar" changes over time. I think today many "Windows" users won't find the "Windows '95" look and feel familiar. It might already be too complicated for them to understand (remotely cf. "Don't make me think")... And what is familiar today might be considered "totally overcomplex and unintuitive" tomorrow. I'm thinking of WMs having the "familiar look and feel" of "Metro" in 2027. :-) Mon, 21 May 2012 20:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments RE[5]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?518875 http://www.osnews.com/thread?518875
But see, contrasting those two UI approaches seems like going where "hierarchically structured user interface for general purpose use" is no longer a virtue. They are not exclusive like that, they're complementary - rationally "organizing files by purpose and type" would seem to mean keeping track of what's important, sure, but also knowing what's trash and letting "modern GUIs" more or less handle it.


And if you read back, you would see I've already written something to that effect... Mon, 21 May 2012 23:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kwan_e) Comments RE[6]: The main features of EDE http://www.osnews.com/thread?519761 http://www.osnews.com/thread?519761 And if you read back, you'll see "sure" (implying my recognition of that point; you even quote it now) and, higher, ";p" (below your first post, which does speak about an UI basically forcing only one of those approaches as hierarchical nirvana) Mon, 28 May 2012 23:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments