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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/26074/Vizio_details_PC_line-up Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 26 May 2013 05:59:59 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522087 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522087 Sexy as a succubus. Just like the one from Acer. It makes the MacBook pro look old and boring.

Just wish the industry would get serious about battery life. 5hours is way too short. 10 hours is still bad. These things should be charged once a week. Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ronaldst) Comments Matte http://www.osnews.com/thread?522103 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522103 I love that the matte screens are doing a comeback. It was certainly due. (i can hardly see properly on my glossy screen when i sit out on the balcony in the sun. A problem i never had with good matte screens.) Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (judgen) Comments RE: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522124 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522124 Yes, brushed aluminium looks dull, I crave for a more colored ultrabook (or I might paint one myself :p) Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dvhh) Comments Hokey keyboard, though http://www.osnews.com/thread?522129 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522129 All that beautiful design for the AiOs ... and they saddle them with a hokey laptop keyboard.

Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoenix) Comments RE: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522130 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522130 Exactly. Stop making things thinner, and stick bigger/better batteries inside. We don't need laptops under 1" thick ... we need laptops that will last a full work/school day away from an outlet. Just like we don't need phones that are thin enough to slice cheese ... we need phones we can use heavily for a full day (or even three) without lugging a charger around.

We've gone way beyond the useful limits for "thin". We need longer usage times!! Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoenix) Comments VIZIO lost the race for me http://www.osnews.com/thread?522134 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522134 with their tablet, it is a peace of crap with lousy support and buggy software. i will never buy anything from them again. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Spoonman) Comments RE[2]: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522178 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522178

Exactly. Stop making things thinner, and stick bigger/better batteries inside. We don't need laptops under 1" thick ... we need laptops that will last a full work/school day away from an outlet. Just like we don't need phones that are thin enough to slice cheese ... we need phones we can use heavily for a full day (or even three) without lugging a charger around.

We've gone way beyond the useful limits for "thin". We need longer usage times!!

+11111111111111111111 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (NuxRo) Comments No bloatware? http://www.osnews.com/thread?522180 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522180 Doesn't Win7 alone take up like 10 gigs?

Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (XenonXZ) Comments Comment by bolomkxxviii http://www.osnews.com/thread?522199 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522199 Holy ~!@#$ someone actually selling computers without glossy screens! I know where I am going to purchase my next computer. Thanks! Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bolomkxxviii) Comments Dell, and other actually do make similar http://www.osnews.com/thread?522204 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522204 Dell makes an All-In-One that completes with Apple's

Dell XPS One 27

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404922,00.asp Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dudeman456) Comments RE: Comment by bolomkxxviii http://www.osnews.com/thread?522211 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522211 Lenovo does the same - though sadly, their screens are otherwise a bit unimpressive. (My T410 is a great laptop, but the screen is mediocre at best. At least it's not glossy.) Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dnebdal) Comments RE: Dell, and other actually do make similar http://www.osnews.com/thread?522236 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522236 I think Thom was trying to say that the styling and the bloatware prevent them from being alternatives ( in his opinion) to Apple's products. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: Comment by bolomkxxviii http://www.osnews.com/thread?522279 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522279 The X220 has an IPS panel option, and it looks great. No idea if they offer it on their other models, and if not, why they restricted it to the X220... My old T61 didn't have a great screen IIRC.

I wonder if this Vizio company will have a presence in Europe. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (znby) Comments Comment by Flatland_Spider http://www.osnews.com/thread?522280 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522280

It would seem that it takes a newcomer to finally be able to do what HP, Dell, etc. could not

Of course. It doesn't have the same cultural inertia that the others do, it doesn't have the size the others do, and it has the luxury of enter PCs as a side business. The others need massive volume to pay the bills, and massive volume lends itself best to boring bland designs.

The question, in my mind, is how is the support experience, and what kind of value does Vizio bring to the table that the others don't?

Lenovo inherited the excellent support tools from IBM, and ThinkPads are built like tanks. Their update tool is second to none. The others have tools that are supposed to work like that, but really, they're useless.

Dell is the most end user focused and has excellent support. Their support is the least antagonistic of the big three. Dell Diagnostics actually works well, but the rest of their tools don't work that well.

I'm not sure what value HP brings to the table. Their computers are cheap, and their support is awful. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Flatland_Spider) Comments RE[2]: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522283 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522283 Agreed

Boring chunks of aluminium, MB-Air clone number #21425,
skinny and flat as an anorexic top model.

No, thanks.

I want many connectors and removable parts (ram, HDD...) . I could even like a computer where the (replaceable) AC power supply is integrated.

Some crapwares like evaluation versions of antiviruses are said to be "sponsored" by their providers and actually reduce the price of the windows licence.

Real innovation is to just sell computers without any installed OS and eventually sell separately "real" installation media (CD, USB device...) Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Treza) Comments RE[2]: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522293 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522293 Sadly you can blame what has been labeled "cargo cult usability" and the fact that Apple and their "Art of design" has been such a huge hit.

Just like the cargo cults simply mimicked the most obvious features of an airbase without knowing the reasoning behind it and thought that it would work, these companies are taking the most obvious part of Apple design, the "thin and sleek look" and copying it hoping like the cults to replicate success.

Personally i'm with you, I'd rather have longer battery life which is why i went an got a EEE AMD netbook, as while its not as thin and sleek as the new machines it gets around 6 hours for me playing 720p video, longer for surfing, and a third party battery can get that up to closer to 12 if i need the extra time. But it looks like sadly we are in the minority as people keep buying these thinner devices, it doesn't help that many like my cousins have already been trained to carry a charger with them everywhere because of how quickly you can drain these devices, they just go from outlet to outlet as if that should just be expected, never questioning it. Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bassbeast) Comments RE[2]: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522360 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522360 You got it all wrong. These things are not for using on-the-go, they are for showing off in the nearest coffee-shop.Edited 2012-06-16 14:09 UTC Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE: Matte http://www.osnews.com/thread?522374 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522374 Just to let you know that the Dell XPS 17 (L702X) that I have has a matte screen. The fact hadn't been publicized at all, which I still don't understand. I can't tell you how pleased I was when I first opened the lid and realized the laptop had a matte screen! I also realized that the argument/pretext about better colors on glossy screens is pure BS.
Barring the lousy non-backlit keyboard, this computer is the best I've ever had and the matte screen contributes much to that impression of mine. Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vodoomoth) Comments RE: Comment by bolomkxxviii http://www.osnews.com/thread?522376 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522376 As I wrote in another comment on this article, some Dell laptops have matte screens but Dell doesn't advertise that feature, which is a mistake IMO. Mine is a full hd on a 17" laptop with high-luminosity, wide viewing angles and bright colors. Some people have the 3D version of the screen. Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vodoomoth) Comments Keypad http://www.osnews.com/thread?522378 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522378 I don't see the point of an AIO without a numeric keypad. Am I the only one to be baffled with that?Edited 2012-06-16 18:12 UTC Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vodoomoth) Comments Comment by kurkosdr http://www.osnews.com/thread?522407 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522407 Unfortunatelty, it's not only crapware/trialware that slows down a PC. It's also the fact the installation image is "automatically generated from a database", whatever this means. This is the reason the update to SP3 failed for some XP machines back then (OEMs used the same image for Intel and AMD laptops) and probably the reason my mom's HP came with a fragmented HDD out of the box (took 1,5 hours to defrag). Or why my old compaq nx9420 boots faster with 7 than the OEM-installed XP.

Normally OEMs should install the OS by hand in the first sample of a particular model, and make the image from that. Not generate it automatically. So let's see how Vizio does woth that and what the boot times of their PCs will be before we rejoice. Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kurkosdr) Comments wheres the colour? http://www.osnews.com/thread?522483 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522483 um, they look pretty crap like my imac Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zhulien) Comments TV maker ? http://www.osnews.com/thread?522593 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522593 So they are the number one TV-maker in the US as the article claims ?

I'm over in Europe and I've never even heared of them.

I thought it was mostly a global market by now... Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments RE[3]: That Ultrabook http://www.osnews.com/thread?522600 http://www.osnews.com/thread?522600 Evidently there is no demand for a laptop, phone, or whatever, that lasts all day, or the manufacturers would make them. That's why the skinny phones like the Droid Razr sell like hotcakes even though you have to start looking for a power outlet before noon if you use the LTE to any degree at all. Same thing for the ultrabooks. Apple is doing better with their Macbook Airs in this department than the PC makers, but I still want a laptop that lasts all day. Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (wocowboy) Comments