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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/26296/Samsung_effectively_kills_Tizen_Bada Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 21 May 2013 17:24:11 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Comment by shmerl http://www.osnews.com/thread?531824 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531824 I guess Jolla will come up with Linux handset earlier. Plus they are more interesting since they use Mer Core ( http://merproject.org ) which is community driven and openly developed, in contrast to Tizen which is developed completely behind closed doors (i.e. while the source is kind of available, only corporations decide all architectural details and direction). Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments As expected. http://www.osnews.com/thread?531825 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531825 As a former Nokia employee I wasn't expecting Tizen to go anywhere.

Sadly, reality seems to confirm my expectations. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531828 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531828 I'm not the least bit surprised either..

The second I heard about Intel abandoning MeeGo, after Nokia already did, and starting again with Samsung with yet another approach, I knew it was a dead end..
Intel may have had a chance if they stuck with Moblin to this day (which, by the way, atleast had a decent name). But restarting time and time again, no that's not a receipe for success.

So now what are Intel gonna do? Claim they have every intention on continuing Tizen without Samsung, just to drop it a bit later, again? Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (plague) Comments RE: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531829 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531829 No one stops Intel from contributing to Mer. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE: As expected. http://www.osnews.com/thread?531830 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531830 Is it just me or should you not have any faith what-so-ever in any linux distribution that has Intel as one of its Corporate sponsors.

First there was Moblin, then Meego, now Tizen. I'd say the same for Nokia, but Mameo shipped on products for a while. But that was old Nokia, before the stealth MS takeover. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531831 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531831 Sure, but will they? I doubt it.. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (plague) Comments RE: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531833 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531833

But restarting time and time again, no that's not a receipe for success.

Why not? They have huge resources and unlikely to run out of names. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (viton) Comments RE[3]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531834 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531834 I doubt it too so far. They want more corporate control, however that's exactly why Meego failed as a project, and Tizen has the same intrinsic risk. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE[2]: As expected. http://www.osnews.com/thread?531835 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531835 That could be the case if that distribution was community managed (like Meego's fork, Mer for example). But Intel and Nokia weren't just sponsors, they effectively fully controlled Meego, so naturally when they quit - it stopped as a project. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE[2]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531836 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531836 Yea, but for it to be a success, it kind of has to be actually, you know, properly released sometime and used by, you know, lots of people..

If you just restart all the time with different "visions", you'll never get there, and eventually the entire project will just quietly cease to exist. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (plague) Comments RE: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531839 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531839

So now what are Intel gonna do?

Cozy up with Google and focus on supporting x86 Android. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Flatland_Spider) Comments Comment by darai http://www.osnews.com/thread?531841 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531841 Well at least there's Mer, which I can see being more successful than Tizen to begin with. Since Nokia also got rid of Qt to a more able company, I think we'll see more developers supporting it as well as the power and speed that QML has to offer. Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Darai) Comments RE: Comment by shmerl http://www.osnews.com/thread?531853 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531853 I liked Meego. Is Mer just Meego with a better governance model? Does anyone know? I'd love to use it in places a lot of people think of using Android. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (thesunnyk) Comments RE[2]: Comment by shmerl http://www.osnews.com/thread?531857 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531857 Yes Mer is a fork of the Meego project (partial since Meego was rather broad) with better governance model (meritocratcy).

You can read about Mer's story here:

http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484215.html
https://archive.fosdem.org/2012/interview/carsten-munk.html
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page

Mer is a core distribution, providing a base for vendors and community distributions to create end user products.

Mer based projects for example are Plasma Active (KDE's mobile targeted version currently focused on tablets) and Nemo Mobile (handset targeted distribution, inherited from Meego handset).

Jolla is using Mer and components of Nemo to build their handset with their interface on top.Edited 2012-08-23 02:33 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE[2]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531858 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531858

"But restarting time and time again, no that's not a receipe for success.

Why not? They have huge resources and unlikely to run out of names. "

Maybe it's just that they're trying too hard. Maybe they should do the Google/Microsoft thing and just let their employees experiment with things to their heart's content, not concerned with failure since it doesn't cost as much. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (kwan_e) Comments idiotic http://www.osnews.com/thread?531859 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531859 So a Dutch blog says that Samsung moved their first Tizen device to 2013.
I don't understand why this would mean that Samsung "kills Tizen".
Tizen = Linux + HTML5 without a browser. Tizen and HTML5 will kill all mobile ecosystems imo. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments RE[2]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531863 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531863 Now THERE'S an idea! :-D

Seriously, every company trying to make their own silly little O.S...come on. It's much better to let the big boys at Google handle their established and already excellent Android O.S. and focus on making it work better on their hardware, instead of fighting a lost war. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (1c3d0g) Comments RE[3]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531866 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531866 After the Microsoft monopoly on the dektop, most companies don't want to repeat the same mistake with Google on mobile.
The Facebook phone = FB UI + Tizen + HTC phone for instance.
Other brands will follow the same model, almost like in the credit card biz.Edited 2012-08-23 05:29 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments RE: idiotic http://www.osnews.com/thread?531867 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531867 I found the conclusion drawn to be off too. MeeGo, BB10, Tizen, all the first devices with a brand new OS delayed. The first device gives the overall first impression of the whole platform. Press and people are going to judge the whole strategy based on the first device. So, it is important to make it decend, to improve and make the momentum when the first device hits market huge. Later on updates are more or less sideline news but the first device will be a frontpage news with deep and long reviews. Better delay and polish rather then hurry up and lose in the long run.

For HTML5: That is really not the killer. This days all or at least most platforms support that. Even MeeGo N9 got a WebWidgets app that executes the latest, greatest HTML5 apps. WP8, Android Chrome and Opera all support that out of the box.

There are reasons why there are so less HTML5 apps, why there are no complex larger HTML apps. Its horrible to develop, maintain and use. It will improve without question but native apps are not going away. A recent platform supports more thrn HTML5 only. Tizen was or is(?) at that point more then once. The EFL support was removed but Tizen 1.0 was shipping with Qt. I have hopes they integrate Android API too offering an to Android compatible stack plus Qt like Jolla and BB10 do.Edited 2012-08-23 05:41 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cdude) Comments RE[2]: idiotic http://www.osnews.com/thread?531869 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531869 The Tizen roadmap is very simple:
1) the release of E17
http://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/
2) the webruntime must be improved:
http://html5test.com/results/mobile.html

HTML5 without a browser is a real paradigm shift imo Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments What a bunch of lies... http://www.osnews.com/thread?531870 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531870 WINDOWS PHONE 7 DO NOT BRING PROFITS.

BADA OS BRING SAMSUNG PROFITS.

Now show me any sane CEO who would push for more WinP7 devices....

Also EVERY vendor report DECLINING WinP7 sales, and not without reason. WinP7 is OBSOLETE, as stated by MS, without any means of rescue.

If samsung will push Windows Phone, it will only be Windows Phone **8**

And even if that is true, there is no way in hell Samsung would sacrifice Bada!

Not WinP8 nor Android would work on those feature phones. They have too low specs. And Bada OS have 8% in handsets sold by Samsung.

Also Samsung already have 45% of Android market (1 in 2 Android sold handsets belong to Samsung!!!). So Samsung do not need to do anything more to win Android market, already they are doing fine. So Samsung also do not need to sacrifice Bada to win more Android market!!!

But its not first lie about WinP7 we hear today. Localytics where before giving also gross lies about WinP7 grow and OEM engagement.

BTW Did you know that Bada OS market share is EQUAL to WinP7 market share? So Samsung will lose 3% (profitable and with steady gorw), to gain 3% (not profitable and with decline in coming Q)? Ridiculous. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE: idiotic http://www.osnews.com/thread?531871 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531871

Tizen = Linux + HTML5 without a browser. Tizen and HTML5 will kill all mobile ecosystems imo.

It remains to be seen.

Personally, I have already enough of HTML+CSS+JavaScript crap at work, trying to fit desktop concepts into browsers, each with its quirks, and always feeling alien to the desktop around them. Plus not taking any advantage of the available hardware resources. Yuck!

Native applications are the way to go, the web should only be used for communication protocols and documents. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments RE: What a bunch of lies... http://www.osnews.com/thread?531872 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531872 > But it's not the first [...] Localytics [...]
If anyone is interested, he can see more information in
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/08/paging-stats-p... Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nth_Man) Comments RE[2]: idiotic http://www.osnews.com/thread?531873 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531873 OS app stores will be dead within 5 years imo

Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments RE[2]: What a bunch of lies... http://www.osnews.com/thread?531874 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531874 Read that too

There are also reasons why Smasung pursuing WinP7 is pure lunacy on behalf on Sammobile. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE[4]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531878 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531878 No MeeGo was big success.

Its CEO of Nokia who killed it with no sane reason. You know that N9 smartphone getting better revies than iPhone? Or N95 who won design prize __over__ iPad2?

Problem with Mer is not lack of Intel engagements but lack of OEMs.

Intel wants their CPU/GPU shipped on handsets. Mer could not deliver that, Tizen could. (Though how Jolla will change that is still unknown) Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments Android x86? http://www.osnews.com/thread?531879 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531879 ALREADY DONE.

All Intel care about is x86 manufactured by Intel to be sold.

They hoped that MeeGo could deliver, and it would if not for Nokia insane CEO (who physically blocked its customer base from buying MeeGo products). Other OEM where not so involved, so Intel went out into the world and found new one Samsung. Though Samsung have a bit different needs so Tizen was created. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE[3]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531881 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531881

Seriously, every company trying to make their own silly little O.S...come on

Why not? This is how the computing market used to be before everyone embraced MS-DOS and made Microsoft what it is today.

As much as I like Android, I surely don't want to have an Android only mobile ecosystem. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments Samsung has just validated Win8 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531883 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531883 I guess Balmer and Elop can now celebrate, mission accomplished.Edited 2012-08-23 09:17 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dsmogor) Comments RE: What a bunch of lies... http://www.osnews.com/thread?531884 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531884 Why on earth are you talking about WP7? (except to troll of course).

The article talks about WP8, not WP7. And WP7 is declining in anticipation of WP8. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Carewolf) Comments Where's the substance? http://www.osnews.com/thread?531885 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531885 Some random site on the internet makes some claims, ergo it's true? I don't see any links to any credible source on that blog post. None. Nada. For all we know it could be made up.

Because the Windows Phone market is in the hands of Nokia they will try to get that share back.

They will? Says who? Doesn't sound like an entirely sound business decision to go up against Nokia in the Windows Phone market. Wait, Windows Phone market? Is it a separate market from the mobile phone market?
Why would Samsung care about selling Windows phones, specifically?

I guess in this brave new blogging world speculation rules the day and fact checking is for suckers. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE: Where's the substance? http://www.osnews.com/thread?531886 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531886

Some random site on the internet makes some claims, ergo it's true? I don't see any links to any credible source on that blog post. None. Nada. For all we know it could be made up.
I guess in this brave new blogging world speculation rules the day and fact checking is for suckers.

Agreed, this post is complete BS.
I was shocked to read this on OS News btw Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments I predict differently http://www.osnews.com/thread?531889 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531889 I guess there is a chance Tizen will be killed, but I predict it is much less than 50%, so I will predict Tizen will be released in 2013, so let's see who will be right

Anyway, there is a serious mistake in the story here. At the risk of sounding like a broken record: Tizen is Bada2!! So it is no surprise that they will stop making new Bada devices when Bada2 is just around the corner.

I already suspected Tizen would be delayed, as a WebKit developer, it is easy to tell from the source-code that the EFL-port of WebKit is at least half a year from a releasable state, but both Intel and Samsung have been trying to hire QtáºebKit developers, which indicates they still focus on Tizen.

Finally Samsung has a history of betting on every single horse. Right now they are making money on both Android and Bada, so I see no reason Samsung would turn away from their historic behaviour. They are just phasing out Bada to prepare for Bada2, aka. Tizen.Edited 2012-08-23 10:36 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Carewolf) Comments RE: I predict differently http://www.osnews.com/thread?531892 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531892 yep, but Tizen is not Samsung:
http://www.tizenassociation.org/en/

We'll have Tizen TVs (Panasonic), phones (Facebook phone, etc.), IVI (vehicles), many OEMs and operators. Time will tell.

Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments RE[5]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531916 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531916 Meego wasn't a success in the end, since the project halted. Nokia never switched to Meego proper, being stuck in Harmattan and then just switched to Windows altogether.

Problem with Mer is not lack of Intel engagements but lack of OEMs.

It's not a bigger problem for Mer than it was for Meego. How many Meego handsets or tablets came out (not counting N9)? Right - practically none. OEMs aren't running to write Linux drivers for their devices thanks to Android. As some phrased it - Android is the best friend and the worst enemy:
http://lwn.net/Articles/504865/

So Mer is picking up where the Meego stopped, and is even in better position now than Meego was before.Edited 2012-08-23 15:31 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE[6]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531941 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531941 Nokia CEO was not succes.

N9 was profitable and got better reviews than iPhone. N95 got DESIGN award over iPad2 in GB. If that is not definition of success than I do not know what success is...

Nokia decision of halting MeeGo had noting to do with performance of MeeGo. In fact Nokia CEO publicly stated that such performance is irrelevant and that even with big success MeeGo will not be continued.

Some analyst calculated that if N9 was backed by sane CEO, and sold in every major Nokia market than Nokia would be on + just from revenues of Nokia handsets unit.

That is definition of cash success.

Only failure of MeeGo is that it happened to be launched under CEO who wanted to gain market share for other company. And you can hardly blame MeeGo for Nokia shareholders decisions. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE[2]: What a bunch of lies... http://www.osnews.com/thread?531943 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531943 Because of two facts:
1) Article state that Samsung wants to win back Nokia dominated market. Nokia own 0% of WinP8 market so article must by talking about WinP7 market.

2) Article state that Samsung wants to win WinP market in H2 of 2012, and WinP8 will be only available in Q4, so socope is too large for just WinP8.

So in fact what I'm saying is that Samsung will ABANDON Windows Phone market till launch of Windows Phone 8, and then they still may be committed only partially. I'm saying that THERE IS NO MARKET TO WIN BACK and there will be no such thing for H2 of 2012.

Also note that I did stated that Samsung may be focusing on WinP8 more than WinP7 but they will not pursue it full untill 2013 at best. That is my message. Samsung and WinP in __any__ version in 2012y? RIDICULOUS. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE: Where's the substance? http://www.osnews.com/thread?531944 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531944 Samsung already sell WinP7 devices. Approximately 1 out of every 100 sold Samsung handset is powered by WinP7.

While 8 others are powered by Bada OS... Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE[4]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531945 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531945

As much as I like Android, I surely don't want to have an Android only mobile ecosystem.

If I had to choose between a world with iOS, Android and WinP or only Android I would choose Android only. Because Android is opensource and any company can run away with it. I can't see how you can get the situation you have now, with desktop pcs where MS has a monopoly ,with Android. Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Fergy) Comments RE[7]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531952 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531952 I'm not talking about Nokia, I'm talking about Meego project which was too dependent on Nokia. That spelled its doom the moment Nokia's mood changed. Being so dependent on an unreliable supporter can't be called success. Mer was created to address this problem.Edited 2012-08-23 21:33 UTC Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE[3]: Comment by shmerl http://www.osnews.com/thread?531970 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531970 I'm still a little confused. Nemo is for handsets, built on Mer, and has a UI based on QT. Isn't Plasma Active also based on QT? And Jolla will build something based on QT and on a handset, but it won't be Nemo.

Android does all three, so I know how to write an app for that. How exactly do I write a... Mer app? Nemo app? Are they all the same? Do they interoperate at all?

All the docs seem to be aimed at people putting stuff on hardware, or people looking to contribute straight to one of the projects, and there's stuff for writing QT apps... but what do I do as a potential App writer? Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (thesunnyk) Comments RE[4]: Comment by shmerl http://www.osnews.com/thread?531978 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531978

Nemo is for handsets, built on Mer, and has a UI based on QT. Isn't Plasma Active also based on QT? And Jolla will build something based on QT and on a handset, but it won't be Nemo.

Qt is a base library which doesn't force you how UI should look and it can be used with various DEs and window managers, mobile and desktop ones.

Plasma Active uses KWin and their user interface to create a mobile optimized UX. Nemo is using Lipstick QML desktop to create the user experience. Jolla didn't really explain what they'll use besides Mer core and potentially some parts of Nemo to create their UX.

However, all these derivatives share common architecture - they are all conventional Linux (using either X.org or Wayland unlike Android which is incompatible with above) and common libraries (see http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb ).

So if you write a mobile Linux application using those libraries (including Qt for the interface for example) - you'll be able to build it for any of those distributions. Note that they can be built for various architectures (x86, ARMv7hl, ARMv7l, MIPS and etc.). So if you figure out what device you target - you can build your application for it for example with cross compilation (see
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK
http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2

Adjusting your application to various form factors (different tablets, handsets and etc.) is the question of your design and flexibility of that application, it's not bound to the distribution per se. If you want to fit a certain theme/style that's already another question.

Android does all three, so I know how to write an app for that. How exactly do I write a... Mer app?

Mer is not an end user distro. Writing a "Mer app" means creating some library or runtime for example.

Nemo app?

GUI mobile application with Qt. You can compile it for Nemo target using the Mer SDK.

Are they all the same? Do they interoperate at all?

Mer derivatives aren't the same, but they are close enough to make porting between them easy. If architecture matches, one can potentially run some application even without recompilation, but there can be version differences and other specifics. In most cases you can just compile your program for different Mer based targets and that's it.

All the docs seem to be aimed at people putting stuff on hardware, or people looking to contribute straight to one of the projects, and there's stuff for writing QT apps... but what do I do as a potential App writer?

You can start with getting familiar with using Mer SDK. There are Hello World examples on the SDK & SB2 page:

https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2

Mer also allows using OBS.Edited 2012-08-24 08:01 UTC Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE[8]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531979 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531979 I do agree. MeeGo like Tizen now was too dependent on single OEM.

But that is how Intel wants it. They want to sell their chips, so they need mobile OS that can run on x86. That is why Nokia was choosed. They had all to win to focus on MeeGo. While Intel would get market for its chips.

Though calling Nokia unreliable at that time is not fair. Nobody thought that Nokia would choose completely new OS ecosystem that would have nothing do to with anything "Nokia", and would not benefit Nokia ecosystem.

Foreseeing that would require large amount of insanity on behalf of person making prediction.

In other words, organization behind MeeGo had ingrained risk, but very very very small. Our lose that in the end it was too large.

On the other hand N9 and N95 prove that coop between Nokia and Intel was good enough to create wonders. Shame on Nokia CEO for not using it. Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (przemo_li) Comments RE[9]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531981 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531981

I do agree. MeeGo like Tizen now was too dependent on single OEM.

Tizen runs on x86 and ARM (Samsung and Huawei); Panasonic and NEC are also members of the TA.
http://www.tizenassociation.org/en/

So Tizen will run on millions of devices, in all shapes and forms.Edited 2012-08-24 10:07 UTC Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments RE[9]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?531999 http://www.osnews.com/thread?531999 This should teach FOSS projects a lesson - don't trust corporations blindly, and try to be independent enough in order not to halt when they change their moods. Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shmerl) Comments RE: Where's the substance? http://www.osnews.com/thread?532143 http://www.osnews.com/thread?532143 The official Tizen roadmap proves there's not even a delay:
http://download.tizen.org/misc/media/conference2012/tuesday/ballroo...

Tizen 2.0 release in December 2012, devices in 2013.
The Sammobile guys have never seen this roadmap imo Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (swift11) Comments RE[2]: As expected. http://www.osnews.com/thread?532630 http://www.osnews.com/thread?532630 Intel is, at the moment, the number 1 corporate contributor to the Linux kernel project. Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (agnathan) Comments RE[5]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?533088 http://www.osnews.com/thread?533088 Meego was buggy, incomplete, and it took them many years to arrive even at such state (first releases essentially long before iPhone was even revealed, as Series 90 / Hildon / Maemo). Also, it failed to interest 3rd party devs. And you're quite selective in your choice of reviews - say, check out one from mobile-review.com

If you are really able to call that a big success ...you'd make a much less sane CEO than Elop; abandoning such project was a rational decision. Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments RE[7]: no surprise here http://www.osnews.com/thread?533089 http://www.osnews.com/thread?533089 You're living in fantasy world. Yes, evidently you have no idea what success means - it's certainly not about some fanboy reviews, or meaningless design award given to an absolutely fugly phone (but, coincidentally, ~made in the UK - where Nokia has/had major design & Symbian operations - the same place where the award you claim is located ...likely just a case of pompous hipster buddies). N9 never came close to returning the looong investment in it & its platform.

WebOS, RIM, Bada, all failing and/or losing momentum... if there's a place for third player, that's certainly MS with their resources and overall influence on the industry; if Nokia didn't want to be relegated to being just another Android oem (where they wouldn't be able to compete with vertically integrated Samsung, like like most present Android OEMs are unable), then MS was the only way.Edited 2012-08-30 00:05 UTC Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments