OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/26574/_Blue_to_bring_yearly_updates_to_Windows_8_Phone Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 22 May 2013 21:24:42 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?543678 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543678 Rolling release model? Sounds interresting if that is the case ;) Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (marcp) Comments Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543682 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543682 Windows 8 SP1 with a bit of added gloss?

They really need to fix their update policies first. Get rid of the endless reboots and the cases where after appling a so called 'fix' some of your configuration has been nuked.
Yes MS I'm looking at you. I had all auto updates turned off and after manually selecting 125Mb of updates, I rebooted and carried on blissfully unaware that one of the patched had reset it to 'Auto download and apply'.
Then I was in the middle of rendering a number of large MPeg4's, the frigging system rebooted itself. The render was going to take 20+ mins each so I left the PC to get on with it.
I was not a happy bunny when I returned to find the PC had rebooted itself.
What a load of utter tripe their system is.

They should get around to fixing a whole host of other things before implementing this bit of marketing tat. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shotsman) Comments RE: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543683 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543683
Get rid of the endless reboots


What? Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543684 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543684 So Windows8 will be like Windows Phone 7? If you buy into it you will be left behind? I am sure developers will be thrilled to have to change SDKs yearly. Also, Microsoft rarely gets a new OS right the first time (see Windows95, WindowsME, Vista). Now we will have a new OS yearly? What will that do for businesses? While this yearly plan might work for Apple, the PC world is much more complex with many more players. I doubt this will go smoothly. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bolomkxxviii) Comments RE: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543686 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543686 Pity they got 7 and 8 right first time, the whole idea is smaller more agile releases. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lucas_maximus) Comments To MIcrosoft: http://www.osnews.com/thread?543687 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543687 Dear Microsoft, you aren't Apple. Stop trying to pretend you are.
Joking aside, I hope Microsoft realizes what this means. They'll have to work much faster and also charge a lot less for their upgrades, if they're going to charge anything at all. The average price of a Windows upgrade, leaving promotional discounts aside for the moment, is $80 to $130 US depending on the edition. People won't pay that yearly.
Everything about Microsoft lately screams out that they're trying to emulate Apple without the slightest idea how to actually go about it. Microsoft, you are better than this. Don't be Apple, be *better* than Apple. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (darknexus) Comments RE[2]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543688 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543688 The idea is more revenue from a low/no growth market.Edited 2012-11-30 14:15 UTC Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bnolsen) Comments RE[2]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543689 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543689
Pity they got 7 and 8 right first time, the whole idea is smaller more agile releases.


They didn't get 7 "right the first time". Windows 7 is Windows Vista Mark 2. It is their second attempt. There is a reason it was released just two years after Vista.

It is an excellent operating system, but it is disingenuous to claim it was a first time success.

Whether they got Windows 8 right first time remains to be seen. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lindkvis) Comments RE[2]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543690 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543690 Thom,
What I mean is that you apply one set of patches, reboot and check for updates. So you download and apply them and you have to reboot again.

I did a clean Server 2008 R2 install last week. To apply all the updates, I had to do the above operation SIX times. Updates on top of Updates.

By way of contrast, if I do a RHEL 6 install, apply one set of updates and you are done and ready to go. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (shotsman) Comments Android updates http://www.osnews.com/thread?543693 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543693 I know everyone gets worked up about Android updates vs iOS, but I think they are looking at it the wrong way.

Think about it this way. A few months before the new iphone comes out(and new iOS version) Apple releases the iOS beta for developers. Which is refined and a final version comes out many months later with the new phone, then shortly after that the new version of iOS is pushed to older devices. How is that really different than what Google does?

In July Google released a "beta"(ironically Google loves the term but doesn't call it that) of Android 4.1. In this case however it is a fully working version made for two devices(GSM Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7). Several months later it is released on the VZW Nexus, Asus Transformer and others. Some devices take longer, and some don't get it at all(not unlike the iphone 1 and 3G).

No doubt it sucks that some devices don't get an update they "should"(possibly because Android evolves so much faster than iOS) and others are delayed way too long(carrier approval, ect.). However when you look at the control Google has over Android, they are actually handling it quite similar to Apple to the extent that they can. You could argue that Google should take full control of Android, but you will lose much of what makes it good. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tkeith) Comments Window 8 universal update http://www.osnews.com/thread?543695 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543695 Window 8 universal update across all devices: Yes
Windows phone 8 universal update across all devices: No.

I mean how many windows phone 7 devices are up-gradable to windows phone 8? Zero?

I understand the switch from windows ce to windows nt kernel was a big one,but they haven't proved they can do a major phone upgrade across devices. Until they do, I'm assuming they can't based on past history. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[3]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543696 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543696 That's just the initial setup. After that updates arrive, you install them, sometimes have to do a reboot and then no new updates immediately appear.

I agree most (if not all) Linux distributions require just one round of updates after a clean install, but with Windows it's just some extra work at the start and then you're set.

It seems all the extra Windows updates are mostly related to .NET version 4. When you install that for some strange reason new updates keep appearing after each reboot. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (MOS6510) Comments Comment by Stephen! http://www.osnews.com/thread?543697 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543697
Windows is moving to yearly releases for all devices - PC, tablet, phone.


Assuming Microsoft's tablets and phones are even around long enough to require yearly updates. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Stephen!) Comments RE: Window 8 universal update http://www.osnews.com/thread?543699 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543699 "past history" ? Like all the phones that were upgradeable from WM2002 to WM5 to 6 to 6.1 to 6.5? Quite a few old Windows Mobile phones were officially upgraded several times. Just Because MS failed to manage or plan properly for WP7.x -> WP8 transition does not mean much. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE: Comment by Stephen! http://www.osnews.com/thread?543700 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543700 Why the pessimism? MS's phones are doing relatively well and you have a behemoth that has the cash to blow that desperately WANTS the devices and OS to succeed. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon (besides possibly gaining some more market share, that is ;) ). Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE: Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?543702 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543702 Rolling releases such as in Arch, Gentoo, Sabayon or Debian Sid are great. But - they require attention. Windows users don't want to live on the bleeding edge. Otherwise they wouldn't use Windows, would it? Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (PieterGen) Comments RE[2]: Window 8 universal update http://www.osnews.com/thread?543703 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543703 Not all Windows Mobile 2003 devices were upgradable to 5. I'm not as sure about the 5 to 6, but I don't think they all were. I do know that windows mobile 6.5 and kin were not up-gradable to 7. So even if they pulled off upgrading some 2003 devices to 5 and some of those to 6, recently they haven't done it well. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE: Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?543704 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543704 Although I believe more frequent releases from Microsoft is a good thing, I don't think this counts as rolling releases.

There's a very simple way to test if something has a rolling release development: if it has a version number then it's not rolling release. For example:

What version of Windows are you using? (example: Windows 7)

What version of Mac OS X are you using? (example: 10.6)

What version of Arch Linux are you using? (example: Right now)

What version of Gentoo Linux are you using? (example: Last Tuesday?)

Rolling release software has no support for "older versions" because there are no older versions. The only version is "now". I assume this won't be the case with Microsoft, whether you're running Windows 9 or Windows 2018. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (drcouzelis) Comments RE[2]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543705 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543705 He does have a point.

Windows Update is pretty poor as update managers go by:

* no proper foresight with dependency resolution. So instead of just jumping to the end and pulling all the latest patches, it has to run through every update incrementally. This often means that you need to reboot after some core updates before the next increment of core updates can be performed.

* too many core systems that cannot be independently restarted. I'm by no means saying that Linux is perfect, but I love the fact that the only updates that need a reboot are kernel updates. Everything else can be independently unloaded and reloaded.

* annoying forced reboot cycles. If an update happens that needs a reboot, you get a 15 minute (IIRC) warning and that cannot be cancelled, only postponed for a few hours. Worse yet, if you happen to be away from your PC during that tim (eg making dinner) then you may find that Windows has forcefully rebooted your system.

While most of those points I can forgive because of various architecture decisions within Windows; mean a fix would be more work and potentially more dangerous than the annoyance of the current set up. But the last point is pretty unforgivable in my opinion. There should be no circumstances where the OS is allowed to reboot an unattended PC; that's an administrator / end user responsibility alone. And the example the aforementioned commenter raised was just one of many great reasons why an unattended PC shouldn't be assumed safe for system reboots. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE[3]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543707 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543707 But with smaller more agile releases there tends to be smaller number of new features in scope and that decreases the testing effort and the probability for regression to occur ... meaning more reliable releases.

It is win, win as long as the price is right.Edited 2012-11-30 16:23 UTC Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lucas_maximus) Comments RE[3]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543709 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543709
They didn't get 7 "right the first time". Windows 7 is Windows Vista Mark 2. It is their second attempt. There is a reason it was released just two years after Vista.


Before Vista, there was a new Microsoft OS every two years.

It is an excellent operating system, but it is disingenuous to claim it was a first time success.


No it isn't. The betas were bloody stable, it is also a lot more than Vista Service Pack 2 ... saying anything else isn't be fair.

Whether they got Windows 8 right first time remains to be seen.


It was pretty stable since Release Preview.Edited 2012-11-30 16:27 UTC Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lucas_maximus) Comments Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?543720 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543720 This is totally unrelated to Windows Blue, but where did you visit in the USA?

As for Windows Blue, I like the idea, but only if it completely free for Windows 8 owners. It would be outrageous to expect Windows 8 owners to pay for another OS only 6 months later. Still, as a happy Windows 7 user, I really see no reason to upgrade to 8 on my traditional desktop PC, so I'm not sure why I would upgrade to Windows Blue either. Bring back the Aero theme (at least as an option, I quite like it) and the TRADITIONAL START MENU for us WIMPy keyboard and mouse users. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (matthewp131) Comments RE[3]: Window 8 universal update http://www.osnews.com/thread?543722 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543722 That is true. But You have the same issue with Android lacking upgrades. So the matter of WP7.x devices not getting WP8 isn't that big of an issue, imo. Granted, it sucked. I would have loved to have upgraded my HTC Arrive. But it is a new platform and MS just did not plan that out completely.

From the looks of it, WP7.x was a pilot to see how Metro would be liked as well as to get input and gauge developer like of the system and was a bit of a stop gap till they could develop the innards more.

At this point, it looks like MS has a handle on things and should probably force updates or at least keep them available for older devices, much like Apple. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE[4]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543739 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543739
That's just the initial setup. After that updates arrive, you install them, sometimes have to do a reboot and then no new updates immediately appear.

I agree most (if not all) Linux distributions require just one round of updates after a clean install, but with Windows it's just some extra work at the start and then you're set.

It seems all the extra Windows updates are mostly related to .NET version 4. When you install that for some strange reason new updates keep appearing after each reboot.


Windows can require reboot loops as sometimes you can only install one patch, reboot, then go back and install the rest that are listed - even Win7. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TemporalBeing) Comments RE[4]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543740 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543740
"They didn't get 7 "right the first time". Windows 7 is Windows Vista Mark 2. It is their second attempt. There is a reason it was released just two years after Vista.


Before Vista, there was a new Microsoft OS every two years. "

No, every 3 years.

The Vista cycle was an abnormality, but one that came because of the state of the code and the fact that they had to restart development.

Yes, after WinXP (2001) there was another version of Windows (2004) that was not released - tossed out because of performance, etc - development was restarted and 3 years later they had Vista (2006/2007). So even then it wasn't really an abnormality, they just didn't release what they had developed to the public.

Of course, that mishap also caused them to re-evaluation how everything is interconnected in Windows and start working towards a simpler architectural implementation - which is why Win7 came a little earlier, and Win8 a little earlier, and why Win Blue will be so early and potentially able to do yearly releases. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TemporalBeing) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Stephen! http://www.osnews.com/thread?543742 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543742
Why the pessimism? MS's phones are doing relatively well and you have a behemoth that has the cash to blow that desperately WANTS the devices and OS to succeed. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon (besides possibly gaining some more market share, that is ;) ).


MS may have a lot of cash, but they also have a fairly large business that eats through that cash pretty quickly.

I'd estimate that if they didn't sell Windows or Office for 2 years, they'd be out of money.

Just look at their financials and how dependent they are on the sales of those two products. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TemporalBeing) Comments RE[5]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543744 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543744


No, every 3 years.


Obviously that completely invalidates what I am saying

The Vista cycle was an abnormality, but one that came because of the state of the code and the fact that they had to restart development.

Yes, after WinXP (2001) there was another version of Windows (2004) that was not released - tossed out because of performance, etc - development was restarted and 3 years later they had Vista (2006/2007). So even then it wasn't really an abnormality, they just didn't release what they had developed to the public.


It wasn't released, so it was a wasn't a complete project ... so therefore they broke their cycle.

Under those circumstances I release a blog post on my site every week when I write a paragraph and then don't publish it.

Of course, that mishap also caused them to re-evaluation how everything is interconnected in Windows and start working towards a simpler architectural implementation - which is why Win7 came a little earlier, and Win8 a little earlier, and why Win Blue will be so early and potentially able to do yearly releases.


Your point being?

They started a massive refactor project yes and moved in a different direction and recovered from something that would have been disastrous possibly. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lucas_maximus) Comments RE[2]: Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?543746 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543746 Correct, the only version is the"now" version. But it is possible to NOT update our even to "roll back" to and older version.

The advantage its that improvements and security measures are distributed immediately to the users, so the system is always up to date and safe. But, the downside is there is extensive testing done, so breakages can happen. In which case the user must for instance "roll back". This requires an amount of attention and know how that the average user is not prepared top spend on his machine.

A nice compromise would be have the choice: "roll" or update for instance every month. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (PieterGen) Comments RE: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?543747 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543747
This is totally unrelated to Windows Blue, but where did you visit in the USA?


Salt Lake City, then by car a three-day roadtrip to Vegas, where we stayed for six days. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[4]: Window 8 universal update http://www.osnews.com/thread?543760 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543760 Its basically going to be somewhere between Android and Apple in terms of success. Due to the tight hardware control, it theoretically should be closer to Apple's. Win phone 7 devices not being upgraded to 8 was a shocker to me. Completely stupid. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?543764 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543764
Pity they got 7 and 8 right first time


Lets not forget Vista

All MS operating systems are fantastic.

I wonder why everyone isn't in a rush to upgrade to the latest MS operating system I expect they are idiots.Edited 2012-11-30 23:06 UTC Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Gone fishing) Comments RE[3]: Comment by Stephen! http://www.osnews.com/thread?543765 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543765

I'd estimate that if they [Microsoft] didn't sell Windows or Office for 2 years, they'd be out of money.

Just look at their financials and how dependent they are on the sales of those two products.


I'd estimate that if Royal Dutch Shell didn't sell any oil for two years, they'd be out of money.

Just look at how dependent they are on the sale of that one product. Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (M.Onty) Comments RE[3]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543772 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543772 What's really bad is when your laptop auto-downloads and installs updates in the background, then you put the laptop into standby, and the battery runs down to nothing in your bag (since you forgot to hibernate it). Then you get to somewhere and need to pull up a presentation or grab a file really quickly ... and it spends 15 minutes "configuring windows updates", "installing windows updates" before the login screen appears!

Or, you manually do the updates, postpone the reboot, forget about the reboot, run out of time onsite, and throw the laptop in the bag. And suffer through the pre-login updates when you get to the next site.

Windows Update is not user-friendly, especially when you're in a rush. ;) Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (phoenix) Comments RE: Android updates http://www.osnews.com/thread?543775 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543775 Thats why xda-developers exists, everyone gets a chance to upgrade to a custom firmware with the latest version of Android Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lorin) Comments RE[2]: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?543792 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543792 Oh what the heck! You were just a 4 hour stone's throw away from me! Would have shown you the sights in Phoenix. ;)

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Well, maybe more like 5 in vegas. Depends on traffic and the location of police. ;) Edited 2012-12-01 07:25 UTC Sat, 01 Dec 2012 07:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Stephen! http://www.osnews.com/thread?543793 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543793
and you have a behemoth that has the cash to blow that desperately WANTS the devices and OS to succeed


Wanting is not the same as being able to ;) Sat, 01 Dec 2012 07:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Soulbender) Comments RE[3]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543928 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543928
* annoying forced reboot cycles. If an update happens that needs a reboot, you get a 15 minute (IIRC) warning and that cannot be cancelled, only postponed for a few hours. Worse yet, if you happen to be away from your PC during that tim (eg making dinner) then you may find that Windows has forcefully rebooted your system.


You can disable this via the registry (or Local Group Policy (gpedit.msc) depending on OS version). The entry you're interested in is the "NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers" value which does what it says when set to 1. Below is the technet page with all of the Automatic Updates registry keys.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd939844%28v=ws.10~*... Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bentoo) Comments RE: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543936 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543936 At work I've seen in the past it would also enable the firewall if it was turned off.

Not cool Microsoft. Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments RE: To MIcrosoft: http://www.osnews.com/thread?543937 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543937 My guess is: the upgrade will have a lower price for the first few months.

Isn't Windows 8 also less expensive the first couple of months ? Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Lennie) Comments RE[4]: Or could it be http://www.osnews.com/thread?543938 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543938
You can disable this via the registry (or Local Group Policy (gpedit.msc) depending on OS version). The entry you're interested in is the "NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers" value which does what it says when set to 1. Below is the technet page with all of the Automatic Updates registry keys.


I did disable automatic downloads, but now about every 3 days, Windows Update tells me I have 1 update, and it's that f**king 'malicious software removal tool', and whatever that other one is. Windows Update is a mess. And rebooting without the user's consent should NEVER happen. Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (WorknMan) Comments Wow! http://www.osnews.com/thread?543950 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543950 What a hot mess for businesses and Government. Shoot most companies and at least US government agencies only upgrade every other OS release and prob wont even go to 8 cause they just moving to 7. Now every year to be more like Apple and Google. What a joke. Did MS not notice that for business computing they are king. Why would they want to be more like Apple?? Crazy! Mon, 03 Dec 2012 03:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Windows Sucks) Comments RE[2]: Comment by marcp http://www.osnews.com/thread?543951 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543951
Rolling releases such as in Arch, Gentoo, Sabayon or Debian Sid are great. But - they require attention. Windows users don't want to live on the bleeding edge. Otherwise they wouldn't use Windows, would it?


Right!! Mon, 03 Dec 2012 03:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Windows Sucks) Comments RE[2]: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?543960 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543960
"This is totally unrelated to Windows Blue, but where did you visit in the USA?


Salt Lake City, then by car a three-day roadtrip to Vegas, where we stayed for six days. "
...You missed some great skiing in Park City!

Next time you're out that way, you should swing by the Grand Canyon (if you haven't already). Truly amazing to lay your eyes on in person. Mon, 03 Dec 2012 07:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ilovebeer) Comments A new word is needed for this http://www.osnews.com/thread?543961 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543961 If 3/5 year Windows releases are, in most cases, are "alpha" software... becoming yearly or, as someone suggested, "rolling release", what should we call it?

Pre-Alpha? SSR (Screaming Stage Release)? Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (franzrogar) Comments RE[3]: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?543964 http://www.osnews.com/thread?543964
Next time you're out that way, you should swing by the Grand Canyon (if you haven't already). Truly amazing to lay your eyes on in person.


It was one on of the highlights - together with Monument Valley. Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments RE[5]: Window 8 universal update http://www.osnews.com/thread?544009 http://www.osnews.com/thread?544009 yeah... It really irked me. But I had just killed my HTC Arrive by getting sea water all over it, so I just moved off to an iPhone since Sprint isn't getting any WP8 phones anytime soon :/ Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (helf) Comments RE[3]: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?544167 http://www.osnews.com/thread?544167
the sights in Phoenix. ;)

Like... a desert, and more desert? ;P Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments RE[2]: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?544168 http://www.osnews.com/thread?544168
Salt Lake City, then by car a three-day roadtrip to Vegas, where we stayed for six days.

First the Mormons, then a roadtrip to Vegas? Now that's a way to party! Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (zima) Comments RE[4]: Your Vacation http://www.osnews.com/thread?544173 http://www.osnews.com/thread?544173 :P Where else can you see Saguaro cactus? And... Palo Verde trees and... alright, yeah. Desert. Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Tuishimi) Comments RE: problems http://www.osnews.com/thread?544231 http://www.osnews.com/thread?544231 What?

You make no sense....an OS every year means that developers are left behind? That is now how APIs work. Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (modmans2ndcoming) Comments