OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/26798/Tizen_2_0_Magnolia_SDK_and_source_code_released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 19 May 2013 20:28:38 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com Firefox OS Compatible http://www.osnews.com/thread?553085 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553085 I am Firefox OS fan and I was really happy when I read on Wikipedia that Tizen will be Firefox OS compatible ;)

"Tizen's goal is to create an open ecosystem, compatible with Firefox OS and all web browsers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen#Ecosystem Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (microFawad) Comments Symbian C++ patterns :( http://www.osnews.com/thread?553088 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553088 Why did they modeled their C++ API into the braindead way of Symbian C++!?!

That alone made me lose the interest. Too many bad memories from Symbian C++. Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments Tizen isn't as Open Source as you think http://www.osnews.com/thread?553172 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553172 Tizen isn't as Open Source as you think, it also drops EFL to merge with Bada.

More facts at http://slashdot.org/submission/2505829/tizen-not-as-open-source-dro... Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jumpr) Comments RE: Symbian C++ patterns :( http://www.osnews.com/thread?553180 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553180 Guess what... That's the closed bada SDK from abandoned Bada 2 featurephone series. They kicked the nice EFL libraries. Dropped all the meego, moblin. Linux Foundation got $500k in cash from Samsung for this to succeed silently. Hopefully some of that funding will go to Linux developers. Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (jumpr) Comments Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553193 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553193 Samsung has again proven with this laughable SDK that they don't have the engineering chops for something like this.

While the mobile Linux movement is largely coalescing around QML and Qt, Samsung goes off and does their own weird thing and ends up with this Frankenstein OS made up of Bada and Tizen.

This is dangerous for anyone who supports Tizen because it means they spent over a year sunk into a ridiculous amount of duplication of effort and technical missteps.

This abortion of an OS needs to go. How is it that a startup like Jolla can do more with Sailfish than a huge multinational conglomerate can do with Tizen? Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nelson) Comments RE: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553282 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553282 Additionally what does this say about Intel? This is only their third linux distro that sucks.

I just don't think Intel cares about getting linux based products to market. Maybe they have always been trying to stall until their chips can compete with arm? I don't know, but I think I'll avoid any of their current or future smart phone offerings. Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553285 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553285 Intel needs to stick to providing hardware direction and making reference devices for other platforms.

I'm not entirely sure the value Intel even sees here, I'm sure they love Linux, it shows by the work they put back into it but they frankly shouldn't be wasting time with these science projects.

Picking Samsung as a partner for this shows they have very little in the way of common sense. They're pretty much the worst partner. There's a GSIII bug that if you copy and paste too much, you will screw your device until you factory reset it.

WHAT kind of engineering is that? Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nelson) Comments RE[2]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553287 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553287
I just don't think Intel cares about getting linux based products to market.
Intel's last attempt to enter the handset market failed miserably when Nokia dumped MeeGo for Microsoft. Now they are in bed with Samsung, and their engineers have to endure a lot of abuse for it:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIwMDU

But Intel are desperate to get into the mobile business and so they keep on coming back. How desperate is illustrated by the fact that Qualcomm passed Intel in market cap last year. Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chithanh) Comments RE[3]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553288 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553288 Holy crap! Has there been any explanation for that? What possible explanation is there? Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE: Tizen isn't as Open Source as you think http://www.osnews.com/thread?553291 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553291 I hope that this slashdot submission gets voted down. It is full of inaccuracies and cheap shots against Tizen. Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chithanh) Comments RE[2]: Tizen isn't as Open Source as you think http://www.osnews.com/thread?553297 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553297 Is it? If Tizen is locked down and does not come with an open bootloader and native support a la Android and is closed for anybody but OEM's then it has a hard time among certain developer-groups like those at Linux. For a Linux Foundation project thats big news isn't it?

What are the inaccuraties and cheap shots in your opinion?Edited 2013-02-21 08:21 UTC Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cdude) Comments RE[2]: Symbian C++ patterns :( http://www.osnews.com/thread?553355 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553355 You are right!

I remember having a look at Bada and giving up because of Symbian's similarity.

As for the rest, it is pretty common inside big companies where the business units tend to play a lot of politics. I went through that process a few times already. Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments RE[4]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553357 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553357 I have seen this happen in many Fortune 500 companies that look at open source as a way to get free stuff, nothing else. Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments RE[5]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553360 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553360 Yeah, but from that article it looks like one fortune 500 company completely screwed over another ( in addition other developers). I think this is even more evidence that the higher ups at intel just look at their linux mobile effort as a distraction, rather than an actual shipping product that they care about. If I were an intel dev working on the project, I'd quit the company and find a job where my work is appreciated. Or at the very least lobby to contribute to a different internal effort. Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Bill Shooter of Bul) Comments RE[4]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553396 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553396
Has there been any explanation for that?
Explanation for what? Samsung's behavior? That is pretty typical for a company which does not have a developed open source culture. You see this sometimes when companies try to get their hardware supported in Linux: they dump a huge load of driver code onto the kernel maintainers which more often than not is so messy that it is rewritten entirely before being accepted.

Or explanation for Intel's desperation? Mobile is the future, and their execs have recognized this. The PC business is contracting and will never again reach today's levels. Intel's position in mobile is laughable, and they badly need to become relevant there - or else become irrelevant altogether. Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (chithanh) Comments RE[6]: Comment by Nelson http://www.osnews.com/thread?553450 http://www.osnews.com/thread?553450 I have been in a similar situation a few times already.

I am yet to do a project for a Fortune 500 company that fully respects how FOSS is supposed to work. Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (moondevil) Comments