“After a decade-long run, Camino is no longer being developed, and we encourage all users to upgrade to a more modern browser. Camino is increasingly lagging behind the fast pace of changes on the web, and more importantly it is not receiving security updates, making it increasingly unsafe to use.”
Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi!
Camino-who ?
How old are you? 15?
I had to Wikipedia it to find out what it was.
An OSx only browser isn’t going to be that we’ll known, especially for people like me who avoid all contact with Apple.
Yeah, it was popular on macs, before macs were popular again. So most switchers wouldn’t be super familiar with it.
Also, macs were even less popular in Europe back in early 2000s. Which is where I lived at that time. I actually haven’t even heard about Apple until their Ipods became very popular.
They still are unless you happen to live in big cities in the bigger European countries.
Smaller countries, specially the southern ones, might have a few shops scattered around the country and that’s it.
Given the actual economic situation, if you see people with them, they surely have nice parents or happen to have very good jobs.
The rest of us are happy with PCs and Windows/Linux/BSD combos.
I live in a small village in a small country (= Belgium) and I see macs all the time. Seems the young generation is quite fond of them actually. People of my generation (between 30 and 40 years old) seem to stick more to Windows PC’s and laptops, or go for an iPad.
Maybe I should have been more explicit, because as Portuguese I tend to have another idea of smaller countries, not only size, average salaries as well.
In Brussels, where I travel quite often to, there are lots of them around, specially from the people working for EU. What about other cities?
I guess you are right about the age issue, though.
I live in Liège’s suburbs and I know lots of people who own Macs. Macs are quite common in Belgium, in my opinion.
Now, I’m a researcher at the local university, so I’m kind of biased: I don’t have anything close to actual numbers, but I can testify that in some faculties (Law, for instance), there are actually more Macs than PCs, especially for scientific and academic positions.
I’m pretty sure that the situation is the same in all of Belgian universities. Other European universities use a lot of Macs, too.
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Thanks for sharing.
Back when I was at the university, Macs were only used by a few teachers and there were a few LC models at one of the student buildings. That was it.
The EU government is a cesspool of corruption. I am in a bad mood, but that opinion rings true for me even in a good one. All countries except Belgium would be better off if the EU was dismantled and we ent back to a Schengen type agreement.
The Schengen treaty is more recent than the EU, did you mean “went back to be a natural resources treaty between France and Germany” or some particular step in between?
Or you could have simply read the link in the news piece…
I liked Camino. I installed in on my mom’s iMac. It’s for when you wanted the power / freedom of Firefox (and Adblock Plus) but the look and feel of a native Mac application. It also worked on older versions of Mac OS X that were no longer receiving updates for Safari.
Now that Camino is gone, does anything fill it’s place?
Well, if you wanted something that looked mac like but wasn’t safari not really.
If you used it because it was more compatible than safari, but faster than firefox, then yes there are options.
Safari is better supported now. Firefox is better on Macs. Chrome exists. Any one of them would work. I switched to firefox, once they got their act together on macs.
Opera 15 is actually looking very “native” on Macs.
Camino is the only browser with true Mac look&feel based on the gecko engine. Mozilla sucked on Mac ten years ago… and ten years later It still sucks. xD
I used Camino a lot in the past when Webkit wasn’t popular and there were lots of incompatible sites… Camino saved me several times.
Today I’m almost 100% Safari but I will miss Camino.
The last version of Camino I ever used was for MacOS X 10.3.9 (Panther). I really liked it. I still have my Panther-based Mac. Can’t upgrade to anything newer, because of one program (iPiano) I have all my music tied to.
I was once told that it was impossible to upgrade Camino (or any other browser) for Panther, because the OS just doesn’t support newer technology. Is it really that hard/impossible to update the code aspects of Panther, to make Camino (or other similar browsers of that time) useable for today’s Internet. In late 2008, I was still able to browse the Internet with Camino. Now, nothing works. I get the “spinning beachball of death”, just going to Google, I kid you not!
I dread using my Mac G4 Quicksilver for anything internet related… maybe it’s still usable for Mail, though.
Forced obsolescence… it comes to everyone… no matter what OS you use. Upgrade (hardware/software) or be left behind. Sad, but true.
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Yeah, that damn forced obsolescence… I couldn’t even properly customize my Windows XP before it was time to move on to the next OS…
Oh wait, not every company is Apple or Linux one.
I don’t know what crack you’re smokin’, but it’s pretty much only Apple that does the forced obsolescence. Sounds to me like I can even use IBrowse on my Amiga better than Panther can browse the net, and it hasn’t been updated since 2006.
Yeah, damn Microsoft ‘forces’ you to buy a new operating system every twelve years! LOL.
(On my computer, the latest version of Firefox runs flawlessly on Windows XP and seven year old hardware.)
When one continues to use a OS that is so old it should drop dead, what do you expect. Panther is full of issues. iPiano with a developer who ran? Use another Midi program and move on.
Translation: “Let them eat cake.”
Hackintosh and real Macs user for the last 7 years, I haven’t tried Camino more than a couple of times.
What I regret, regarding browsers, is the Firefox madness, the very frequent releases which don’t solve any bug or bring much real improvement.
I am afraid I disagree with you. The faster browser releases have resulted in dramatic improvements to speed, memory use, security, and features.
For example, the current alpha version of Firefox sports much nicer OS X integration.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/23.0a2/auroranotes/
I also have used Camino for an old power-based iMac. It was fast, nice and predictable.
On PPC Macs I’m fine with TenFourFox – a port of the “almost latest” Firefox. It’s slower than Camino, but works with almost every site and extension (except Flash and Java, but they’re getting less and less relevant every day) and with a faster JS engine.
Ditto. I’ll second that, TenFourFox is decent enough, and definitely has high compatibility like you say.
Flash is the only reason I ever boot OSX on my Mac at all, so consequently Camino is the only OSX app I ever run… 😎 Ubuntu is better for everything else.
I always loved Camino especially in the old days of early OSX. It’s too bad they are dropping support.
man I remember Camino in it’s infancy, I think it was initially called Chimera? I remember running it on used second-hand Macs running OS 10.3 A had a G3 blue & white tower maxed out with cpu/ram upgrades from OWC and one of the Huge early gen iMacs with the handle to pick it up by. I remember Camino running faster and offering more features than any other browser available at the time. I remember shortly after upgrading to OS 10.4 I discovered I could install debian on those MACs and the the rest was history. Then I could use a proper firefox/iceweasel build on linux. Another browser to add to the pile of retired ones I’ve used. Moscaic, Netscape Navigator, NetPositive, and now Camino
To paraphrase John Gruber, in the early days of OS X and even when Safari was in it’s first releases, Camino was like drinking a glass of ice water on a hot day.
Yes, it was originally called Chimera.
I loved it, since the first day it was called Chimera!
It is from the day when Macs where macs. and when i actually loved them.
it was really “Think different”.
If it weren’t for shitty Flash, I could just use Firefox or Seamonkey on any of my BSD computers.
Time goes on and luckily we have TenFourFox.
I loved the original OmniWeb, with its own engine.. before WebKit. Bure Obj-C and did run om 10.0/10.1
still runs fine on my Mountain Lion config, as does Stainless browser, but Safari is good enough these days that alternative browsers are a preference….not a need.