Espen Sand announces the availability of first preview of Opera 7 for Linux. The Linux specific features from 6.1 no longer exist, the new preview release comes with an email and news client. You can pick from a static or shared (dynamically linked) packages. Read the email and get the download links from BSDForums. Additionally, Opera released yesterday a funny version of Opera 7 for Windows, as an answer to the MSN problems. In other browser news, Apple released a third Safari beta (v60) recently.
Preview 1 of Opera 7 for Linux Available
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I have laughed a lot about the Bork-version of Opera! Cool idea!!! :-))
I had been using Phoenix for about 2-3 months on Win32. However, that love affair was short lived, after I downloaded Opera 7.01 this morning
What a kick-ass browser! It’ll be interesting to see if the Linux version shapes up to be as good.
One question for everyone on Win32 – has anyone tried any of the IE-driven browsers such as Avant, or Crazy Browser that have a lot of the same features as Opera and Phoenix (tabbed browsing, pop-up killers, etc). There are still a few sites for which I need IE for, and wondering how good these other browsers are.
The Bork version of Opera is a nice idea and all, but comes after MSN did fix their web site so it doesn’t intentionally send a broken style sheet to Opera (it now sends site-win-ie6.css to Opera as well)
And good job to the Opera team getting the Opera 7 preview for Linux out so quickly… hopefully this will fix some of the performance problems I’ve been having after they switched from Qt 2 to Qt 3 in Opera 6.1 for Linux/FreeBSD
Any screenshots of the Linux version?
I’ve never had a problem with dependencies or RPM before and I have installed several packages on my system, but this thing didn’t work on my SuSE 8.1. It complains about libXm.so.2 or something.
IIRC Opera have said that Linux specific features missing from O7 preview 1 will be put back in a later release. I just hope that Opera for Linux doesn’t copy the Windows version’s problems along with it’s new features.
Personally I’ve gone back to Opera 6.05 for Windows after using O7 for the last week. There are nice new features in O7 and it allows me to view some pages that I couldn’t before. But I’ve encountered a lot of bugs and stability problems in O7, O6 was far more reliable.
Also the MDI window management in O7 is painfully screwed up IMO, it makes dealing with multiple windows much less elegant. MDI window management was what first attracted me to Opera, it kept me using it despite problematic releases such as Opera 4. I can learn to tolerate a lot of problems, but for me the messed up MDI makes O7 very frustrating to use.
It’s a browser I really wanted to like, I’ve been a fan since Opera 2.12 and the only thing I dislike about Opera 6 is the few web sites that it can’t view. but at the moment I find using Opera 7 more hassle than occasionally having to paste a link into IE.
libXm.so.2 is needed in Opera for Netscape Plugin support. It’s provided by motif. Install motif if you want to view flash. Earlier versions of Opera for Linux worked quite well without this dependency solved, so you might try ignoring it.
i use crazy browser at work becasue I have to use IE on our company intranet. works great, I’m actually a big fan. fon’t know about the other ones though….
>> libXm.so.2 is needed in Opera for Netscape Plugin support.
>> It’s provided by motif.
One can use libXm.so.2 from Lesstif as well. I used and it works fine.
i’m really anxious to get this preview but the site bsdforums seems to have some problems. could anyone please post the download links? thanx.
hi the bsdforums seems either crowded or the server has a problem…
anyway can anybody post the download links since they are not
(yet) posted in the Opera website.
http://web.opera.com/download/unix/untested/intel-linux/353-2003021…
Havent downloaded nor tested those myself.
You absolutly need to test what is _the_ best collection of spyware over the net. You can also pay for them ! This world is marvelous 😉
And after, everybody will say that Linux is full of holes, trojans and other horrors…
Too bad ;-)))
ok i just grabbed it…
runs quite slow, seems to have improved CSS2 support.
anyway it is a beta and no performance trimmed release.
nice outfit. not too bad at all
ohhh even the “submit” button fades alight just like the effects
we all know from the Max OS X buttons.
Darius: It’ll be interesting to see if the Linux version shapes up to be as good.
I have been using it, since yesterday afternoon. I love it so far; it’s better than 6 for stable. It feels like it’s faster than Windows as usually, but hard to tell from 6.xx Linux version to 7.x Linux version for speed, but can tell on stable. BTW: I am using static version on FreeBSD. 🙂
Bascule: And good job to the Opera team getting the Opera 7 preview for Linux out so quickly… hopefully this will fix some of the performance problems I’ve been having after they switched from Qt 2 to Qt 3 in Opera 6.1 for Linux/FreeBSD.
I find it’s more stable than 6.xx on FreeBSD so far. All I did was edit the install.sh to correct the path like /usr/share/*/*/ to /usr/X11R6/*/*/ and few other paths to match FreeBSD. Maybe, I can create a patch, then port in the ports tree if they accept. One very simple annoy is.. Sometimes, there’s no highlight in the menu, but overall I am happy with 7 better than 6.xx. 🙂
Stephen Smith: Any screenshots of the Linux version?
It looks so so same as Windows version (new blue UI), but with QT menu. So, it’s really, it’s no point for see screenshot for this. 😉
You absolutly need to test what is _the_ best collection of spyware over the net.
Any proof of that or are you just talking out your rectum?
I’ve had so many crashes that I would think that the programmers would have their hands full without bug reports.
Anybody knows where can I get libXM?
# rpm -U opera-7.0.0-20030214.1-static-qt.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libXm.so.2 is needed by opera-7.0.0-20030214.1
Looks like installing lesstif or openmotif 2 will get me libXm.so.2:
http://list.opera.com/pipermail/opera-linux/2002-July/003267.html
# up2date lesstif
Installing…
1:lesstif ########################################### [100%]
# up2date openmotif
Installing…
1:openmotif ########################################### [100%]
But:
# ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm*
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.1.0.2 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.2
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmuu.so.1
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3.0.1 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmuu.so.1.0
# rpm -U opera-7.0.0-20030214.1-static-qt.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libXm.so.2 is needed by opera-7.0.0-20030214.1
I tried out the browser (opera) and it crashes on nearly every webpage.
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to submit bug reports or get feedback from the developers.
This happens when its executed:
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[18:39:07 ~]$
opera
opera: Could not initialize VXML component, errno = -1
opera: Warning: Using default FontSwitcher. Codepage information not available.
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And this happens when It crashes:
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/usr/bin/opera: line 146: 1097 Segmentation fault “${BINARYDIR}/opera” –binarydir “${BINARYDIR}” $passflags “${@}”
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I am using Mozilla and right now which I don’t like very much so hopefully someone can give me an anwser soon.
Running RedHat 8.0 on 233, 64MB ram using static version.
Did:
rpm -U –nodeps opera-7.0.0-20030214.1-static-qt.i386.rpm
And I got it to install without libXm.so.2
It crashes for me too… It’s also quite slower than opera 6.1 (which also crashes a lot, but is fast). I’m on a 500MHz machine, 192MB of RAM
This generally works OK for me. D/L the tar.gz – no problems with install. No crashes yet but have noticed that the search bar does not work nor does the bookmark import function. (this is preview 1 however!)
As for speed I am impressed – it is at least as fast as 6.11 or the Win version.
I am happy and looking forward to future releases.
This generally works OK for me. D/L the tar.gz – no problems with install. No crashes yet but have noticed that the search bar does not work nor does the bookmark import function.
I use the tar.gz file too. Now, I noticed the bookmark import isn’t finishing. But, it took 6.11’s bookmark and function perfect. The search is quiet annoy to me by right now, because I use it a lot. So, I leave google page open at all the time instead. Can’t wait for Opera team to finish write those functions.
Any proof of that
Opera was a classical soft ( means : you pay ), and they have never hided that the free release contains advertise banners and logon to commercial sites which can trace your browsing ( please note that the better “spyware” is still your ISP… ). If you really need a “proof” of what even Opera team claims, you can use ethereal or iptraf depending on your preference.
Anyway Opera is not open-source, so the availability of this browser is not up to you… Your choice.
or are you just talking out your rectum?
No i’m simply talking via Mozilla. Is rectum a fancy new web function ? Or do you just try to set up yourself as a very vulgar person. If so, i think not exaggerate saying you will reach a plain success ;-)))))))))))))))))
Someone asked for a screenshot – you may be pleased to know that the Linux version happily accepts the latest skins made for the Windows version. These can be found at http://my.opera.com/customize/skins . Win-Opera auto-installs a new skin when it’s finished downloading (then asks if you want to keep it). I didn’t do this with the Linux version, just copied the skins from one of my Win drives to [$HOME]/.opera/skin.
BTW, I’m using FreeBSD 4-STABLE with Linux emulation and no playing with installer paths was necessary. The install script put system-wide stuff in /usr/local/share/opera, with local overrides in [$HOME]/.opera. Seems to work fine so far.
Reducing what you’ve said to its essentials, what I gather is that Opera advertises commercial web sites through its advertising banner, and that perhaps some of these commercial web sites may (most commonly through cookies) track your browsing. ISTM this is no more than any browser does if not equipped with ad-blocking software. There is certainly no shortage of banner and other ads at many websites to which one can surf with Mozilla, IE, etc. So I guess in fact what you are saying is *very* simple – all Internet browsers that don’t come with ad-blocking software pre-installed (are there any?) meet your definition of “spyware.” Or do I misunderstand?
Xavier is just another troll, best ignored…
But for the benefit of other readers, I’ll attempt to set some things straight here: If you don’t pay for and register your copy of the Opera browser, it will display a banner ad in the upper right corner after 15 days. Contrary to what Xavier seem to believe, software that display ads aren’t necessarily by definition “spyware” [1]. The Opera browser is an excellent example of that! Users are informed about the ad module [2], and it doesn’t send out any personally identifiable information (unless you want it to). It doesn’t “trace your browsing” either. It’s therefore _by definition_ *not* spyware! The proper description of the Opera browser is “adware” — just like Opera Software says [3].
Why? Because the ad module is as harmless as, or maybe even less offensive than, the banner ads on this very site. The Opera browser fetches new ads from the ad server infrequently, and sends back reports only about what ad you’ve viewed and which ad you clicked on *in the ad module* — so that Opera Software can pay the bills [4]. This has been verified by several independent users [5]. I have myself monitored Opera’s network traffic, using a packet sniffer, and found nothing that would justify calling the Opera browser “spyware”. To my knowledge, *nobody* has ever found any proof that the ad module in Opera contains spyware since it was first introduced back in version 5 — over 2 years ago.
[1] http://grc.com/oo/cbc.htm
[2] http://www.opera.com/privacy/ads/
[3] http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=453
[4] http://www.opera.com/docs/ads/
[5] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=QkB/6gDYuD3d092yn%40webmas…
I am sure you do think that MSN is very ethical. : ))))