http://www.osnews.com/story/4091/Screenshots_from_Red_Hat_Linux_s_Severn_Beta Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:22:04 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ...and now I know. Time to update that default theme guys? Just maybe? Guys? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I think that Redhat should not have skipped version 8.1. Version 9 should have been called 8.1, and this looks like a good candidate for 8.2. Nothing much has changed just some newer versions. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? linux will not be ready for the masses until it looks modern and professional.



looking at these screen shots makes me wonder what linux people are working on. perhaps the kernel is nice and shiny but that doesn't matter if the GUI is ugly.



what is with the fonts in the web browser in this screen shot. they are so ugly!!!



http://img.osnews.com/img/4091/severn1.jpg



i have seen xpde and think that is the best way for linux to go. compare that linux screen shot to this one:



http://www.xpde.com/shots/alttab.jpg



notice the fonts are not ugly, nor are the title bars or wigits. the taskbar is windows-like and familiar. it is a nice simple look as opposed to weird curves, bad fonts, and ugly looking wigits.



that's the two cents of a windows user Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? (and even a per-user resolution panel --no need to be root to change your res),

You could always restart X by pressing Control-Alt-Backspace instead of rebooting. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Thanks for the screenshots!

I'm just curious, why have Mozilla bold fonts on many websites, does Redhat change the Mozilla Code? Not only include the new version 1.4? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > You could always restart X by pressing Control-Alt-Backspace instead of rebooting.

What are you talking about? I said "be root", not "reboot".

> Nothing much has changed just some newer versions.

Yup, not big changes. The one big change was RH 8. That was a big change, at least it looked like it was. This version seems more incremental than anything innovative or something... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >I'm just curious, why have Mozilla bold fonts on many websites, does Redhat change the Mozilla Code?

It might just be a bug of Mozilla in regards to interaction of the new FontConfig, not a concious change. I just hope that the RH guys will have a look at it and see what's causing it. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Rowel, that is obviously a bug, previous versions were fine. No need to troll over a bug of a beta, ok? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "linux will not be ready for the masses until it looks modern and professional."

sorry dude, rh9 look *much* more polished and professional than windows XP ever could drea mto look with those huge tacky candy-gum looking buttons and garish primary colors all over the place. rh has a way to go to outclass osX, but its looking damned fine right now.

"what is with the fonts in the web browser in this screen shot. they are so ugly!!! "

he talked about this. did you even read this article? come on, its barely a page.

"Billy G is Not My Lover"--- version numbers get incremented when they break binary compatability, not when the gui gets changes. there were major "under the hood" differences between 8 and 9 (for one, the kernel threading model is new and incompatable, aparently). Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Do not reply to moded-down comments. It results your comments to also be moded down, and you don't want that, do you? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I guess they just wanted to follow the trend, like Mandrake 9, Slackware 9... In fact, Slackware jumped from 4.x to 7.0 just because of that. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Its out this morning and you already got it installed, played with it, and wrote a review? Woow, that's real fast! Thanks anyhow!

I think RedHat's new development model will be better. It will strike a prudent middle ground between Debian and Xandros. If there would be new distros, I hope they would all standardise around RedHat. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I could do it even faster if I was not debating with myself if I should bother download it or not, for nearly two hours. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? version numbers get incremented when the release breaks binary compatability, not when the gui gets changes. it so happens that the usually happen in the same release. there were major "under the hood" differences between 8 and 9 (for one, the kernel threading model is new and incompatable, aparently). Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? MOD ME DOWN AFTER READING THIS...

ok, since there are not that many posts and my e-mail is down, i'm gonna make a quick suggestion that you blur out the aim screenames for privacy sake... thanks... just concerned about privacy issues...

MOD ME DOWN AFTER READING THIS... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Except for Mozilla, the fonts look pretty good. Are those the defaults ? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > Except for Mozilla, the fonts look pretty good. Are those the defaults?

Read the last paragraph of the article again. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Eugenia did you install Epiphany yourself or was it part of the beta? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? It is part of the beta.

The only changes I made to the installation is when I installed the Vera fonts and AbiWord 1.92.x from Rawhide. All other stuff you see there, came with the beta. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Looks the same as RH8 and RH9 too me Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Except for that damn mozilla. I hope they plan to fix it. It's really ugly. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Eugenia,

Now that RedHat is adopting a more open development model, do you have any plans to help out? I remember you had some plans about how things could go better. You can at least do mockups and have others implement them. ??? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Well, that was always one of the complaints about Red Hat. No RPM uninstallation tool. Now there is this Remove Software button in the package manager, can it remove rpm's you have installed from other sources? It would be nice to have a screenshot of it.
Besides of this, I'm just hoping for even more polish and performance. There is no need to innovate right now, as they are on the right track. More consolidation of the base system would be great, improving bootup and shutdown speed is a must in the long run... If they could pull this off (for example by making certain services start in the background and/or simultaneously), it would be a killer "feature".
Graphical bootup should also help making everything feel more like "one piece" instead of a bunch of software thrown together.
This consolidation is the one and only reason I go for Red Hat instead of Debian or Gentoo.
Also I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to through out most of those old screensavers... Some are really kickass, but they kinda get lost between all the mediocre ones. A new screensaver has to be there anyway somewhere in the future, the motif password dialog doesn't quite cut it. =) Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >do you have any plans to help out?

I am going to Europe for long vacations soon and I will have limited internet for more than a month, and when I will be back no desktop-related changes will be allowed in the source tree, so... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Looks nice so far, I don't see why they should change the them when they update versions, sure this one was introduced in version 8, but look how many years windows stayed with the same basic look (Win95/NT, 98, ME, 2000).

As for usefull improvements, user changeable resolutions, and a menu editor for Gnome would be some of my top choices.

Still, so far looking nice and a really good peak at the beta there Eugenia. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? OS News looks like piss on Mozilla. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "improving bootup and shutdown speed is a must in the long run"

As Red Hat is a _server_ OS, bootup and shutdown speed isn't an issue because a server should be powered on 24/7. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I have RedHat Rawhide installed and am wondering if there's a way for me to enable the same type of graphical booter that there's now apparently in "Severn". What packages do I need installed? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? No idea... It seems to be more than just a few packages threw in. I suggest to actually install Severn itself to avoid weird problems. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? have they included bootsplash (http://www.bootsplash.org) it loads this as background when the kernel loads, you can also have silent mode. is this feature available in this beta ? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Not that I know of. The graphical boot starts AFTER the kernel has loaded in text mode. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? No, the Red Hat Linux release (soon to be called Red Hat Linux Project) is mainly meant for students and hobbyists as their main OS or just to learn. It makes an excellent server, but it's more of a general purpose OS.
It's also the base for both enterprise server and workstation releases. Not long in the future, I expect it to be the base for home desktop releases, too. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Do those Vera fonts work on all distros and window managers? Where can I find info on how to download and install those, or are they exclusively a Redhat thing ? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? They work everywhere: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yes, they work everywhere, they are just regular TrueType Fonts.

Just google: Bitstream Vera Fonts and you'll find the download. Its on the GNOME FTP server. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Huh! I found the problem. Red Hat has made a bug and both the Serif and Sans Serif settings of Mozilla are pointing to the same fonts by default! Just change the "Sans Serif" fonts from the drop down menu to "Sans Serif" for all the subsequent categories on its sub menu, and it fixes the problem. Now all fonts, on all web sites, are looking good again. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Ah okey, my mistake!
Anyway, your idea of how to make the os faster is pretty good! But I think that most ppl will behave like today's nerds (read: me) in the future and never shut of their computers either. Mostly because i think email will be more important and you will want to get notified when you get an email. And other uses for always leaving the computer on is: listening to internet-radio[*1], reminder shedulers, downloading odd media on p2p[*2], etc etc..


[1] But I think regular stand-alone hardware musicplayers will include a ethernetport apart from the classical radio-antenna.
[2] For odd media there can be several days of waiting time until someone with the odd media connects to the network and the client starts downloading. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? So, I guess the test 2.6 kernel is not included? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Graphical boot screenshot should be interesting. Eugenia, can you take some of this and put it here? Please...

Thanks Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I don't think I know how to get a screenshot while nothing has booted yet. There is no shell at this point, therefore I can't use "import" or any other utility to grab the screen.

The only way to do that is use VMWare and I don't wan to spend 3 hours waiting for RHL to install on my old dual celreron under vmware...

It is just a very plain full screen window with a small window in the middle with a progress bar. That's about it...

Eugenia Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? How abt digital camera??

Does the graphical boot look like SuSE's? Better look or not that good? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I'de like to see Boot Screenshots as well. You CAN do this, see this page:
http://rhl.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/


"During a graphical installation, you can press SHIFT-Print Screen and a screenshot of the current installation screen will be taken. These are stored in the following directory:

/root/anaconda-screenshots/

The screenshots can be accessed once the newly-installed system is rebooted." Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? pi;
I'm referring to graphical boot up NOT the graphical installation. I pressumed the graphical installation is not much different from ver. 9.0, although the release notes mentioned new things abt anaconda. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? But I think that most ppl will behave like today's nerds (read: me) in the future and never shut of their computers either.

That might be true, but only if they can make all computers completely silent... Then there are laptops. Some kind of advanced suspend mode might improve this, but I'm sure you still want to turn off your laptop completely from time to time.
Well, imagine your TV set would need two minutes to "boot". That would suck. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Doh! I read "graphical boot" not "graphical install" when I read that... oh well... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? But in 2005 we will have RH 50.0 :-) Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? http://rhl.redhat.com/participate/schedule/

Schedule

Cambridge
July 21 2003 - Beta 1 release
August 8 2003 - Stop Ship Mode starts (only StopShip bug fixes after this point)
August 18 2003 - Beta 2 release
September 15 2003 - Beta 3 release
October 6 2003 - General Availability

Cambridge++
No dates set yet, but a driving goal or defining characteristic will be the 2.6 Linux kernel -- unless the 2.6 Linux kernel takes too long to arrive. That is, we'll shorten the schedule to accomodate an earlier release of the 2.6 kernel, but not lengthen it to accomodate a later release of the 2.6 kernel. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? It is faster than RH 9? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Not to troll, but am I the only one who thinks that Bluecurve is rather, well, UGLY? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Well, I like it (its the only thing I like about RH).

But they offer other themes as well, so you're not stuck with it.

I think they are trying to do a "middle of the road" look, since they're target seems to be "the general population". Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Well, imagine your TV set would need two minutes to "boot". That would suck.

Actually my TV (a Philips 32" Widescreen) takes about 20-30 seconds to start. Yes, that sucks! Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I have tryed to edit my x file in this beta but.. whats wrong with it..


# XFree86 4 configuration created by redhat-config-xfree86

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "DevInputMice" "AlwaysCore"
Screen "Screen1"
Screen "Screen2" RightOf "Screen1"
#Option "Xinerama"
EndSection

Section "Files"
# RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally
# no need to change the default.

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.

RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath "unix/:7100"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "dbe"
Load "extmod"
Load "fbdevhw"
Load "glx"
Load "record"
Load "freetype"
Load "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
# Option "Xleds" "1 2 3"

# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
# Option "XkbDisable"

# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
# Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
# Option "XkbModel" "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# or:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps"
# Or if you just want both to be control, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
#
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "no"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then
# this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you
# also use USB mice at the same time.
Identifier "DevInputMice"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor1"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "NOKIA 920C"
DisplaySize 360 270
HorizSync 30.0 - 96.0
VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0
Option "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor2"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Unknown monitor"
HorizSync 31.5 - 37.9
VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0
Option "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard1"
Driver "tdfx"
VendorName "Videocard vendor"
BoardName "Voodoo5 (generic)"
VideoRam 65536
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard2"
Driver "mga"
VendorName "Videocard vendor"
BoardName "Matrox Mystique"
EndSection


Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen1"
Device "Videocard1"
Monitor "Monitor1"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "1024x600" "800x600" "800x480" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen2"
Device "Videocard2"
Monitor "monitor2"
DefaultDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "800x600" "800x480" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection

tnx.. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? You are not telling us anything what the problem is. And btw, does your computer has two graphics cards and two monitors? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? First, what problems are you experiencing with X and Second - are you running 2 video cards with 2 monitors on the same system? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? well.. im not trolling it works fine with mandrake.. so.. and btw: i can take in on the rh beta list. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? They removed the Glide3 driver, so your Voodoo5 is not going to be all that amazing, I would imagine.

Some people hate it when I say this, but... nVidia's dual out implementation is not perfect, but it is a damned sight better than using two different cards for it. I've used a TNT2+G200 and a Radeon+G200, and neither would do accelerated 3D. Pop in the GF4 MX, and suddenly, I'm doing whatever resolutions I want up to 2560x1024.

-Erwos Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Not to troll, but am I the only one who thinks that Bluecurve is rather, well, UGLY?

Only the window decoration, in my opinion. The rest is OK. In fact, if anything, I find Bluecurve extremely useful, since it looks the same both in GTK-1 and GTK-2. I swear, the moment I saw the default GTK-1 appearance, I was about to puke all over my monitor. Ugly. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? no, they dident. and the glide i alive at sf.net http://sourceforge.net/projects/glide/ soon v. 5.. but i can run this Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory http://www.fileaholic.com/cgi-sql/file-info.sql/148503
in 640 * 400 soo iam happy.. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 05:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Is there a build of WINE available for this version which isn't uber-crashy?

Is there an Mp3 player installed?

Does the Apple iSight cam work in Gnomemeeting? ( yeah, long shot I know but it would be cool if it did ) Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Hmmmm...that was funny LOL HAHAHAHA.

Actually, you don't have to be root in 8 and 9; you have to know the root password, though.

And if you want to zoom in you can always hit CTRL+ALT+(+ or - on the number keys on the right) Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >Is there a build of WINE available for this version which isn't uber-crashy?

No.

>Is there an Mp3 player installed?

No.

>Does the Apple iSight cam work in Gnomemeeting?

No.

>Actually, you don't have to be root in 8 and 9; you have to know the root password, though.

Yeah, and as they say in Greece "Don't call me John, call me Johny".

>And if you want to zoom in you can always hit CTRL+ALT+(+ or - on the number keys on the right)

This gives you virtual resolutions, not real ones. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Eugenia I am jealous.

If I were to write what you wrote it would be like this,

Red Hat Linux beta has successfully probed my E-200 Sony 17" monitor and my Matrox card, but for safety reasons, defaulted it in 1024x768 res which is the (monitor's recommended).

:B Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? What's so special about Gnome-Screenshots???? You can make Mandrake, SuSe, all of the *BSD and any OS that runs Gnome make look like this, can't you?

LoCal Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? There is nothing special. They are just shots of the latest Red Hat beta. Nothing more, nothing less. People have being asking for some, so here they are.
The only different thing they got than other Unices with Gnome are its pref panels I guess.

Eugenia Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Well seen that they don't plan on releasing it till october at the earliest, it should have Gnome 2.4 which is planned to be released in september (must get back to translating it into irish Given that it'll take at least 3 months before 2.6 settles down i'd say redhat are going to wait till it's released. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Redhat should wait for the 2.6 kernel and Gnome 2.4...well, maybe not Gnome 2.4 but for sure the 2.6 kernel. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? RetHat just sucks course of lack of REAL posix and libc2.2 -compat- 2.3. The only diffirence for me with 7.x and 8.0/9 is Bluecurve theme of desktop - other are just experimental stuff for "we are the best and first developers of linux desktops". Anyway MOST of software can't wort with utf8 in i18n way, so maybe you can use it, but the rest of this world can't. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Are you sure Bitstream Vera is not included? It is listed among the packages on the "Package List for Severn" page:

http://rhl.redhat.com/projects/package-list/ Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Hi,

- does the new Redhat support real ACPI? I mean *not* the outdated acpi patch included in 2.4.21.
- what about crypto filesystems? Those are really usefull on notebooks.
- What about cpufreq(d)? Does Severn support Speedstep?
- What about ACLs? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Only the window decoration, in my opinion. The rest is OK. In fact, if anything, I find Bluecurve extremely useful, since it looks the same both in GTK-1 and GTK-2. I swear, the moment I saw the default GTK-1 appearance, I was about to puke all over my monitor. Ugly.

This is a problem I've noticed with Linux. If you wish to change themes, after doing so you will have a very inconsistent look. There could end up being different themes for Qt, GTK1 and GTK2. There should be some kind of universal theme selector that makes all 3 looks the same. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Originally posted by JSplice...
This is a problem I've noticed with Linux. If you wish to change themes, after doing so you will have a very inconsistent look. There could end up being different themes for Qt, GTK1 and GTK2. There should be some kind of universal theme selector that makes all 3 looks the same.


A good idea is if they had one file that describes a theme, and then GNOME and KDE developers can create translator programs, that translates it into native GTK and QT themes.

What do you think a good idea? Would it solve the problem for widgets? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I tried it, and it works with rh9
u only need:
1. download rhgb rpm from rpmfind.net
2. install it.
3. edit /etc/sysconfig/init, add GRAPHICAL="yes"
4. set to use graphical login e.g. gdm Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? i tried to configure samba using redhat-config-samba... it just destroyed the contents of /etc/samba/smb.conf :-(

Also, when the bugbuddy came up because something crashed, it crashed to, so it tried to load bugbuddy again, which crashed, ... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ...and other tools for the 2.6 kernel. I installed the 2.6 kernel from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/, but I can't get X to work (some problem with the mouse). I only had to install the kernel and kernel source, the rest of the updated stuff seemed to be in severn already. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? modprobe mousedev (dont know why it doesnt load automatically) Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? " installed the 2.6 kernel from http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/, but I can't get X to work (some problem with the mouse)

I ran the nvidia driver installer but as soon as I click yes to the question, it freezes. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Red Hat is DEAD.
rpm sucks. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Red Hat is DEAD.
rpm sucks.

Wow! The SCO / Microsoft Spin Doctors are soooo articulate! Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Redhat is dead
Where did you see that? Where's the news? Where's the URL of the news? I would like to see it (Which of course, you don't have since it's not true)

rpm sucks
Tell us WHY rpm sucks, what did you not like about it. Tell us your reasons. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? yep... its only you. *windows XP* is ugly Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I installed it this morning and have been playing with it. I have to say that I like it. I still do not like the fact that I have to sign up with the RHN to get updates. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? >Are you sure Bitstream Vera is not included? It is listed among the packages on the "Package List for Severn" page:


Yep, it didn't installed on my Red Hat then for some reason. I had to download and install it manually. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:29:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? what is the difference? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? what is the difference? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I believe Rawhide is Redhat 9 plus updated packages that fix bugs etc. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I believe Rawhide is Redhat 9 plus updated packages that fix bugs etc.

But I have noticed that a lot of the rawhide packages are not available through redhat 9 up2date... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? rawhide is just redhat's latest and greatest packages... many of them are "unstable" but have the latest and greatest features... Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Rawhide is RedHat's equivalent of Debian unstable/testing and Mandrake's Cooker

These packages are tested in Rawhide until they are deemed stable enough to include in standard Red Hat Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Go to http://rhl.redhat.com/download/rawhide.html. Should give you the info you need. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? bluecurve definitly needs an upgrade. it was ahead of time in rh8, but compared to xd2, it now looks outdated and boring.

also, none of my main issues with rh, like being able to stream files from windows-pcs, tight integration of an audio- and videoplayer as well as inclusion of java re, flashplugs etc., not to speak of better printing (guess this will only get comparable to windows when hp etc. will finally deliver drivers) or a successor to rpm (admitted, might be still too early) seems to have been adressed!
i must say, progress could really be faster in a lot of areas.

my prediction was 1 year ago that linux would be comparable to windows on desktop in 1-2, max. 3 years, but as progress is crawling, i fear it might take longer.

what a pity, i would love to change back to rh, because xd2 seems more buggy and unstable, but it is not worth the work. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? So, is that a guy or a girl in the screenshot? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? It is a girl, last time I checked. It is me. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I guess this better driver and higher quality driver can show it clearly that I am a girl:
http://img.osnews.com/img/3904/isight.jpg

I am not impressed with the Creative Webcam driver on Linux. It is much worse than the quality I get on Windows with the same camera, no wonder you couldn't tell. Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I suppose I believe you now. Get some highlights or something! Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Someone said that you still have to sign up for RHN in order to get updates, which sort of pisses me off since I'm tired of receiving their spam almost every day. Will I now be able to install it on > 1 computer using the same e-mail address, without having to change entitlements every time I want to update? Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? You can log into http://reh.redhat.com and select under you perference NOT to receive Errata email updates Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Just wanna know if this version is beta-qualitty or usable for production. I'm also curious if someone has tested kernel 2.6-test1 and if its usable? Thanks allot, Marc. Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Does this version of RHL include ACPI support? I would love to have it on my laptop. Thanks allot! Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Erm, it is a beta, so it is what you expect: beta quality.
Yes, there is ACPI AFAIK, according to the release notes. Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ACPI IS A kernel thing, and ACPID is the deamon. if ther is no ACPI support, all you have to do is a simple kernel recompile and install/start acpid daemon...


--Peace Wed, 23 Jul 2003 02:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Bahamot,

No it doesn't work with Red Hat 9.0. If you update your initscripts, it may very well fsck up your installation. And you can't install it without updating them. If you can, pointme to the location of the rpm.

error: Failed dependencies:
initscripts >= 7.22-1 is needed by rhgb-0.9.4 Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Did RH ever get around to having a GUI for editing your menus? That dropped out in RH 8...which is when I stopped using it. Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? No Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Why don't they change to i586 builds when Mandrake and SuSe have already done it and the minium requirement for installation is pentium class processor? Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I have just installed it in my RH9. It works fine no need to edit anything but you just have to install the new initscripts. BTW, the background of the graphical boot sucks for me. It just appears blurry no matter what, so I changed the default to a plain blue bg that goes well with bluecurve. Any idea on how to make it display the bg in truecolor mode? Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I downloaded the SRPMS of the newer initscripts & rhgb from rawhide and did rpmbuild --rebuild blah.src.rpm on them on my fairly new RH9 install. They work fine, kudzu took forever to run or something so I disabled it.

I have a pretty minimal set of services enabled, so it might screw over your install if you have a lot of stuff installed. It's a little rough around the edges, but it does make the system have a more integrated/polished feel to it. The text fading out after a few seconds is a nice effect. The nVidia logo popping up at bootup is annoying. Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? what text fading are you talking about? BTW how is the background of the bootup in your system? Does it display all the colors? Or does it look blurred just like in my case... Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I run both SuSE and Red Hat and like them both. However, SuSE has much better multimedia support than Red Hat. Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Absolutely there is GUI menu editing ... it's called Nautilus (if you have Gnome installed).

If you double click on the Start Here icon on the desktop, it will open up Nautilus.

If you don't want to see the icons view then at the top right select View as List and you can make the size of the list (or Icons) larger or smaller.

Now, just double click on Applications and you have a the entire menu to mess with. You can rearrange, remove or add new folders or application launchers ... it is just like using windows explorer to edit the windows start menu! Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Clay ... if you mean that SUSE installs more multimedia stuff off the install discs, then I might agree with you...

But, anything that runs on SUSE will run on RedHat ... so thier Multimedia support IS THE SAME.

If you want to use MPlayer, it installs on both ... so does VLC, XXMS, etc.

Anything you want to install is available and able to be installed.

For RedHat 8 and 9, go here and install apt and synaptic and you can point and click almost anything onto RedHat...and be as up to date (on the cutting edge) as you are willing to chance.

http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/ Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? As people have touched on earlier, the default fonts are ugly. The default serif font is Nimbus Roman No9 L, and the default sans-serif font is Luxi Sans, regardless of whether you have the new Bitstream Vera fonts installed.

I suspect there have been changes made to the font renderer or font configuration as well, as Luxi Sans looks much narrower and harder to read than it did in Red Hat Linux 9. Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Probably just my slow, slow system, but if the text saying the latest thing it's starting stays on for more than about 3 seconds the text fades out. Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Nearly forgot - I didn't notice anything bad about the default background image. Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Maybe its my video card that is messing things up. Thanks anyway. BTW, is it possible to get a screenshot of this. Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? JohnnyH, you are correct. Better for me to have said, browser plugin support...i.e., when I visit a news site or live streaming audio (say, a radio station or a live webcast), Red Hat would not do anything. They packaged Mozilla browser, but no plugins. Suse packaged a lot of browser plugins for almost all types of media. I still had to download RealPlayer 8 for Linux and Java for Linux. I managed to get Java to work and Flash also. Until there is better browser plugin support and ease of installing, Linux has a way to go in that category. This site has helped me a lot http://plugindoc.mozdev.org. Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Found the culprit that makes the bootscreen bg in my system blurry. My system is set on 16 bit color. I set it to 24 bit color and the prob went away!! Nice! Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Clay ... Agreed that GNU/Linux in general has a long way to go to have the same multimedia capibility as Windows XP ... mainly because of the number of apps that are there for XP ... but most of the major linux distros can use most of the Plug-ins and multimedia stuff ... but SUSE was easier to install from the Distrubution disks ... but there were no ISO's to download for SUSE, so it had to be bought or instlled via web/ftp ... which is a much harder (or more expensive) install.

I would highly recommend MPlayer built with Real, Windows Media, DivX, Quicktime(mov), MPEG, MP3 and oog support. I have the MozPlugger plugin ( http://mozplugger.mozdev.org/ ) that plays almost everything via Mplayer ... and it works very well. I use RedHat 9.0 and apt from here ( http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/ ) to get all the latest apps. Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I'm running it on Windows XP over the latest VMWare and it works perfectly as far as I can tell so far. Only thing was DHCP internet took a google search to solve. And it even allowed dell dimension integrated sound to work without any special config...that wouldn't work using a regular install on the system.

And so I just finished installing RH9 (severn) but I was just wondering if someone can tell me a way to adjust the mouse speed. TIA Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I'm not sure what Big Red has against Sun but configuring their java plug-in for mozilla with any release of RH is a wasted effort. Can anyone explain this to me please? Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments