http://www.osnews.com/story/5640/The_MandrakeMove_Experience Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2013, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sun, 26 May 2013 04:05:32 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Funny you mention that the "administrator" had never heard of Linux. I remember the first time I decided to try Linux back in the Red Hat 6.1 days, I remember going around to every techie/electronisc store I could find looking for a boxed version of it. Almost every person I talked to was like "What is that". Staples had it in Stock but the people I aksed still didn't know what it was or if they had it. Eventually a friend of mine who has a degree in CS and manages the store pointed me in the correct direction. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I would really like to see this polished desktop.. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Konqueror 3.1 without Apple contributions was already very complete. But now with optimizations, all I can say is wow. Konqueror is _fast_. Render sites very well, and most of the bugs of beta stage are being ironed out. Now KHTML has two testing frameworks, one at apple and other at KDE cvs, to iron out remaining bugs during the point releases. And now that 3.2 is almost out there, everybody will be able to see how fast konq is.


The only thing left is a specialized browser task front end. Hmmmmmm. With KDE XML ui, isn't that easy to do? Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I have no use for a live cd distro, but I think that all commercial distros should have a seriously good one for demonstration purposes and to test hardware in shops (not that I think anyone would let you put a CD in a demonstration box in the UK anyway. A nice touch would to then be able to install the correctly configured distro to harddrive !

Nothing new there, that's what is possible with knoppix. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "...first live CD that does Linux justice."

Let me disagree with that! It's true that it's far more polished than mandrake 9.2 & most of the others distro's, but still, knoppix in one cd also is far more complete.

Another thing. I really doubt that MdkMove is able to recognize hardware as well as Knoppix!

The real advantage of MdkMove is the tight integration with the usb stick.

& for the fact that Knoppix is a one man project, vs Mandrake that is a company, i consider knoppix a winner for both quantity of packages, hardware regognition & gnome apps.

(sorry i do not mention mepis, slax, and other live cd but i never tried them) Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? for the fact that Knoppix is a one man project, vs Mandrake that is a company
MandrakeMove is a two men project (ie. there are only two guys from Mandrakesoft working specificially on MM)
So both do very good work with limited means
Let´s forget about distro wars. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "knoppix in one cd also is far more complete"

But I wouldn't give Knoppix to a windows friend for them to learn. Knoppix is very good, probbably even a little better at hardware detection, but it lacks in consistency, polish and user friendliness. It feels patched together.

IN fact, I gave it to my brother to try a long time ago and he did not even figure out what to type at the prompt. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? It may only have two people working on it, but it is based on 9.2 which I believe has had at least a hundred developers on it. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I'm surprised they were relieved when they discovered it was a bootable cd. My school, at least, has a policy of no bootable media. You could do a lot of damage with a bootable cd.
Also, are there any graphical network configuration tools (i.e. is the mandrake control center available)? This is a problem with Knoppix (and similar). They do not appear to have configuration tools for detected devices or configuration tools for adding devices not detected (or not detected correctly)
I'm surprised Mandrake removed usb drive synchronization functionality. I've never been a fan of cripple-ware.
-Elijah Buck Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Konqueror 3.1 without Apple contributions was already very complete. But now with optimizations, all I can say is wow. Konqueror is _fast_. Render sites very well,

That's my opinion too. I use it more than Mozilla now, specialy to read hotmail email and make the admin of mail. It's the only browser under Linux/Unix that can be as usefull as Internet Explorer. Thanks to Apple and KHTML teams !

I still have to make Konqueror identify as IE on Mac to get the Javascript button and menus to work on hotmail but at least it works.
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I would prefer Mandrake Move to Knoppix. I used Knopix and it wasn't nothing closer to a Mandrake Desktop. But Knopix is also good for non-standard hardware (like laptops). Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "I'm surprised they were relieved when they discovered it was a bootable cd. My school, at least, has a policy of no bootable media. You could do a lot of damage with a bootable cd."

Oh, yes indeed!! Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I tried out Mandrake Move last night on my own home Windows PC. Bootup time was about the same as Knoppix, just had to answer a few questions (actually had to add-user and such). Driver support is (as you may have guessed) very close to Knoppix, however it's configuration of said hardware was a bit different (better, in my instance). My dual-head monitor was set as an extended desktop vs Knoppix's mirrored. I found a few things a bit buggy however (namely MenuDrake and totem under certain circumstances). Most of these "quarks" were avaidable once you figured them out a bit.

Here's a screenshot I took if anyone is curious (yeah, the resolution is super low, but that was default and I was too lazy to fix it):

www.lcfmag.com/pics/screen.jpg

Although I love Mandrake, I think I'll stick with Knoppix as my livecd of choice. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Also, are there any graphical network configuration tools (i.e. is the mandrake control center available)?

Mandrake Control Center has the same network configuration tool as the normal Mandrake 9.2. I got my PPPoE network working in just a few seconds. It's *very* user friendly. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? And knoppix is based on debian, which probably has more developers than Mandrake. They are both pretty amazing for the number of people working on them.


smeat! Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Mandrake Move has the full Mandrake Control Center in it.


smeat! Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:16:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I thought one of features of MDKMove even though not so important is to be able to play cd/dvd on the same drive? I haven't tried Knoppix lately but could one do that with Knoppix? No flame intended. Just curious. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? After adding a user (is this really necessary for a livecd?!), "An error occurred:
Could not open /etc/pta/mlc.usb:
PHOTOSMART_P1000 for writing!"

And then refuses to continue. Color me unimpressed. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? MM booted to 800x600, which is pretty ugly on an xga laptop monitor. I changed the settings in the control panel, but you have to logoff for the changes to take effect. Logging off crashes the Xserver, leaving the only option to reboot. I guess they never thought someone would change screen resolutions?

Knoppix, on the other hand, was a very good experience. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I downloaded the MandrakeMove download edition last night when I first heard about it (I think from this site in a post). It wasn't too shabby but I did run into problems with it, which are most likely my fault. Burnt the cd from another computer and then tried it on my main computer, after 3 reboots it finally booted into Mandrake. Then the mouse locked each time it got to the desktop Unfortunately I couldn't find a gpm service to stop and start and and I donut know how to stop and start the mouse service from X or KDE. But it looked really pretty! Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:09:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? >>But it looked really pretty

Eh, it looks like Windows 98 with shinier icons. I'll be impressed when I finally see some linux distro come up with something new. Get rid of the desktop icons for example, they look trashy. Even Windows XP has them turned off by default. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? The live CD's are very useful. But as a network admin, I would have a hard time being comfortable with students rebooting computers and using their own operating systems. Introducing an unknown system onto a network is potentially a very large security risk. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "No setup required"

Oh, yes.

You still need some 10-15 minutes to get all connections done before you powerpoint away. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I still think Knoppix is a better distro with hardware detection because it found my NIC card & autoconfig it with dhcp while MandrakeMove has to be config after the initial login.

As for live CD, I personally Damn Small Linux is the perfect companion to an admin, compare to MankradeMove, Knoppix, Gnoppix, Suse, Gentoo or Morphix. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? mdkmove, for mandrakesoft, is basically about two things - improving mandrake's visibility and increasing revenue. mdksoft needs cash, and they're very focussed on getting it. they need some differentiation for the box version in order to sell enough copies, and making it the usb key feature makes sense since it also lets 'em sell usb keys. the live distro wasn't actually all that *hard* to make (a veteran mdk user got the idea to make a live distro based off mdk and knocked a rough version together in a week, which is I think what gave mdksoft the idea of doing an official one), so it's a good idea from a cash point of view. Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? fyi, Mandrake anounced the live CD very early on (as a christmas surprise), before texstar started on the pclinuxos thing.

pclinuxos is made by the mklivecd script, which is a Mandrake package, its development was supported by Mandrake and was done on the cooker (but it was mainly developed by volunteers).

Mandrake allows its users to bottle their current installation into a livecd with just one command line. Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I just booted MOVE on a SK41G Shuttle XPC. It loaded perfectly. Detected my network, my video card, everything. Pretty snappy, too, considering it's running off the CD.

I think this combination would be a great way to show off Linux to potential newbies, no? Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Though pretty skint of the package side and autodetection needs "allot" of work, slax has to have the nicest default kde desktop I have seen yet on any Linux distro... Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I had a user that had a crazy hard drive with windows 2k. ex: You try and boot you get a bsod and then a reboot. You put the hard drive into another known good working pc as a secondary you get a bosd and a reboot. I had NEVER seen this before. I boot into the Mandrake Move CD both the hard drives from the pc with the known good pc and the known bsod hard drive get recognized and are accessible. I mounted a samba share and copied files for back up. Thank you Mandrake Move CD you rock! Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? My PC configuration: motherboard ASUS, videocard: ATI Radeon 9600 (not good for Linux). Knoppix started at least with VESA graphics, LindowsCD and Mandrake Move did not boot to any graphics mode (error - no screen fount - reboot or shut down ;-)). It means for my PC Knoppix had better HW detection. Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? >fyi, Mandrake anounced the live CD very early on (as a >christmas surprise), before texstar started on the pclinuxos >thing.

This is not true, tex started working on pclinuxos in October and had a private preview before word came about of Mandrake Move. Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Most importantly, you cannot use a USB key with the download edition to store your data and it is missing commercial software such as Flash, Realplayer and Java, which because it is a CD distribution cannot be installed later.

While this is plain true for proprietary software (flash, realplayer, java), this is wrong for USB key.

The difference is:

- with commercial version of MandrakeMove, USB key is automatically detected, mounted so that /home files be on it, and so that modifications to system files on /etc are automagically saved on USB key so that they are available for next reboot on the same hardware

- with download version of MandrakeMove, USB key is automatically detected and mounted under /mnt/removable as with "traditional" Mandrake releases: you see that you CAN store your data on it

gc - mandrakesoft Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments