According to the latest press release, Lindows, Inc. has changed the name of LindowsOS to “Linspire.” Although rumors suggested that the name change was only for use abroad, the press release suggests that the name change is both permanent and all encompassing.
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Lindoors!
That’s funny. How about Linhorn?
Licrosoft!
The new name isnt to bad. I was almost sure they would pick something terrible. I mean they did call themselves Lindows in the first place:).
I think this will actually help out the company formerly known as Lindows. Linspire has a nice ring to it and they should actually change the name here in the U.S. to the same thing. Good software needs to get rid of the mocking names and think of something original, thats what makes them good. Fedora, Red Hat, Suse, Slackware. None of them mock Linux in their name (provided you exclude Linux from the end of their name i.e. Slackware Linux, RedHat Linux).
I think this can only help the company, now rather than riding on Redmond’s coattails they can establish their own identity, and it’s not a bad name to boot.
Isn’t there some company that uses that frase allready ?
~Inspire~
Sounds familiar
Should have been Lindos, because the ‘W’ has always been the problem.
> Sounds familiar
Well, my laptop has something reading “Aspire 1500” written on it.
Don’t know if any company is using it but we do it all the time and I hope to continue doing so.
Sounds good, but when are they going to stop running users as root. STUPID STUPID idea guys. Why not just run Windows if thats the case. Word to Linspire…..its not hard to prompt users for root password when needed. If all other distros can do it right, as well as Apple’s OSX, you should have no problem making your OS more secure.
Linspire…
Mmmm…
It does have someting nice to it…
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–Dutch translator for SkyOS, v5.0–
Anybody know if Longhorn is trademarked? They might just name it that and trademark it to annoy Microsoft.
RAIDER HEISST JETZT TWIX sonst ändert sich NIX 😉
Sorry this is only something for german-speaking readers
(a joke about the sweets called ‘twix’ which where called ‘raider’ in german yeeeeears ago)
Lin = derived from LINux
Spire = a peak, pinnacle, or point
Lin+spire = Linux’ peak! Or, in other words, the best Linux available!
Yeah, I can see this name working. But, as is the case, I’m a G4 Mac user now and MacOS X Panther is my daddy, so to speak. 🙂
Luposian
The lindows name was stupid in the first place IMO. Good to see that they changed it…
LinBucks ?
Changing name was the smart thing to do. Well done.
I have had absolutely enough of reading such nonsense.
If you buy Suse, as I do every time, it costs you at least $100 a year. Same with Libranet. If you want to be a member of MandrakeClub it costs $60 at least.
If everybody was a freeloader linux would cease to exist in no time.
People pay $49 a year to Lindows (sorry, I meant Linspire) for the excellent service. One can also pay $100 and become a lifetime member. Suggest that to Microsoft: $100 and you get all their software for the rest of your life. See what they answer!
Firebird!
Yeah, the whinning Linux people who wants their free distros can go and use the free distros available and stop bugging the companys and peoples who like to pay for extra service!
I am mostly a Linux-freeloader myself as I have only bought Linux once and that was Caldera OpenLinux 2.1 which I was quick to replace with Redhat 6.1.
Today I run Knoppix (free), Mac OS X Panther (149EUR) and Windows XP home edition (150EUR). I can’t understand the whinning about paying for Linux!
I can’t understand the whinning about paying for Linux!
That’s actually quite true. Even GPL happily allows developers and distro makers to charge for their GPL’d sofware.
And it is always up to people to decide if they see the product worth the price. If not, there are lots of choices in the Linuc distro land.
As to the new Lindows name Linspire. yeah, it was a high time for them to change the stupid old name anyway. And Linspire sounds nice otherwise too.
Winnux would have been the best and most obvious name, IMHO.
“Linbiskit?”
YES!!!!
And we’d all be drinkin’ hot-dawg flavor’d water…
I almost fell off my chair when I read that…
You either picked it up wrong, or did not bother to read it properly…
What i was saying, or meaning to convey was this,
linux is a free os, free as in CHOICE.
I should be able to go to any software repositry and download and install any app I wanted.
Lindows does not allow this, the only way to get any software for it is to get it from Click and Run.
Some people like to use “pay to use” services, I don’t know why, but they do. Click and Run sounds OK for these people. HOWEVER, Click and Run demands a yearly subscription to the service, but when you look at the software in there, about three quarters of the packages have an additional cost to them.
Why would anyone want to pay to use Click and Run, then use it to download something like Mplayer, only to find that they have to pay extra for Mplayer.
There is free software on Click and Run for subscribers, now that is the bit that I cannot understand.
Software A is free to subscribers
Software B is an additional charge
But I was on Software Bs website and they were offering the software for free download, so therefore, Lindows is adding this charge. Does the developer for Software B get a cut of this cash ? No ? Didn’t think so.
I have used Lindows, I have used Click and Run, that is how I came to my conclusion that Lindows are trying to make as much money as they can from linux at the expense of the authors
As to the new Lindows name Linspire. yeah, it was a high time for them to change the stupid old name anyway. And Linspire sounds nice otherwise too.
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
Linspire? I like it – it sounds like something from one of those perfume commercials with the actors posing moodily on a white matrixy background.
Lindows does not allow this, the only way to get any software for it is to get it from Click and Run.
False! You can still use Apt-get.
but when you look at the software in there, about three quarters of the packages have an additional cost to them.
Why would anyone want to pay to use Click and Run, then use it to download something like Mplayer, only to find that they have to pay extra for Mplayer.
False! / bordering on a complete lie!! The only products that have an addittional cost are commercial products that you would have to pay for no matter where you get them. However if you purchase them from Lindows/Linspire, you usually get a discount. And they do not charge for Mplayer.
Kreek
Lindows Insider and Lifetime member.
I don’t want to enter into a long debate with you, also because in your first post you used a lot of foul language.
I’ll only say the following:
1) You don’t have to use Click and Run. You can uncomment you repositories and use apt. In fact they gave away thousands of copies of LindowsOS that many people used as an easy Debian installer.
What you pay extra on top of your C&R membership is almost always commercial software, that you get at a very good discount. More advanced users, and there are plenty, will probably never buy anything. If people want to buy an antivirus is up to them, they still think the M$ way.
Fall into a legal and commercial system were a generic word “Windows” can win in a copyright battle to another nonusual word as “Lindows”.
Now only lefts they charge me for using de word “Word”.
I was hoping for something like skylight. You know. Still a Window to your world but on a higher plane.
Foul language, hmm do you live in the world of disney ?
are you an extremist christian ?
Do you live in the real world, where people speak whatever way they want ?
Anyway, I don’t want an argument, I was just making a point.
Mplayer might be free, I really cannot remember the apps they were charging extra for, I just gave it as an example.
I did install Lindows, I did change repositorys, I did upgrade with apt-get… first thing I got was Synaptic, coz I can be a bit lazy
However, I know my way around all linux distros, I know how to do these things, I will always do these things.
Lindows was originally set up to get people to move from Windows over to linux, now, remember when you were a newish Windows user.
Did you accept the defaults of the system ?
Did you tinker as soon as you had it installed ?
Did you change everything that Microsoft had set up, so you could do things your way ?
Lindows has Click and Run by DEFAULT.. Like I said earlier, Lindows removes the CHOICE.
A new user coming from Windows will not know how to get software from other places, he might have mates who use rh or mdk, theyu will say, oh yes, download the binary rpm and install that. It will fail.
The rh or mdk user might not have had the experience with debian systems and not know about sources.list, so how is he going to change Lindows away from Click and Run.
Click and Run is a good idea, don’t get me wrong on that, I mean, one of my machines runs Onebase Linux, and it has a package management system called OLM, which it calls “Pick and Get”.. It works the same way, (maybe a lot better), than click and run, just click the install button and there you go.
But it is the DEFAULTS that I did not like about Lindows, how can I give Lindows to my parents and expect them to use it properly, without getting their credit cards out over and over ?
Do you all understand what I mean now ?
@ raver31
I don’t understand the upset.
If you don’t like Lindows/Lindspire… Don’t buy it.
Nobody is forcing you OR your parents to buy it.
I like it. It’s a nice distro.
Sorry you don’t. Go use something else. There are lots of other great distros out there.
It’s not like Lindows is the only Linux out there….
How do you give Lindows to your parents without them needing to pay every year?
Very simple: install it for them.
Perform an “aptitude –with-suggests –with-recommends dist-upgrade”
Install all the software they need from Debian.org
No need to spend money, a system always up to date!
Sorry, I don’t seem to be making myself clear on this.
forget me installing anything.
Joe Public goes and gets Lindows, he installs it, he uses Click and Run.
Where is his choice ? where is he going to find out how to change things from the preset defaults.
The new link is now:
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=…
:)))
Well, I am actually using Lindows/Linspire now on a desktop machine at home, and I have to say I like it. I do software development for a living, and I use windows there, and at home, I have two servers, one running Fedora Core I, and one running Debian. I have tried several distros for a desktop machine, and most left something to be desired… It was all in the presentation of things. Inconsistencies here and there. I have found Lindows to be more consistent in the presentation to the user.
As for the cost of Click-n-Run, it is not that bad. $5/month, and after I download it once, I never pay for it again. True, I can get it elsewhere for free, but the Click-n-Run interface is nice, and easy to use. Plus, there are some commerical apps/games in there too at steep discounts… Can’t get those discounts elsewhere. And I can create what is called an “aisle” and store the programs I like. I can actually create multiple aisles, and I can create htem as public and private… so I go to another home machine and I want to set it up similarly… I install Lindows… takes 5-10 minutes, and then I go to my aisle, click one button to select all of hte items in the aisle, and one button to install, and then I am done. The box is setup with what I want. Do that on another distro.
I get free updates to the latest software… one click, new versions of the OS (As a whole) with one click. For someone who justs wants to use his computer to do tasks, this is great!
There are several nice collections of music from artists in different genre’s of music, all available on Click-n-Run free to Click-N-Run members.
Now on to the subject of running as a root user… You don’t have to. You can create additional users, and run as any of those, if you choose. But, how many of you have really thought about the root user issue? Yeah, running as root may not be that ideal on security, but there are only a couple of exploits for that, and if you keep security updates installed, that drops to near zero. So get off of your high horse…. How many of you are in as root more than a typical user throughout the day on your workstation? Probably a high percentage… running through su no doubt. How many use sudo? How many use setuid? These all have flaws as well, and are discouraged from the security experts. How many of your userids have more privileges than a typical user? Maybe the ability to edit your website on youtr webserver?
I think that this distro is nice, espcially for someone who wants to use his/her computer without having to tinker all the time. And don’t say use Windows if you want to do that… I have to tinker more with my Windows box at the office than I do any linux box.
So to conclude, check things out before you go spouting off at the mouth.
Joe Public goes and gets Lindows, he installs it, he uses Click and Run.
Where is his choice ? where is he going to find out how to change things from the preset defaults.
You’re asking Lindows to present a product and try and convince the customer not to use it! How rediculous is that?!
Click-n-run is a service that Lindows provides for a fair price to it’s customers. If you really don’t like it, then don’t use Linspire. THAT’S your choice. However if you just have to use Linspire and are dead set against using Click-n-run, then you have the abillity to use apt-get. Lindows shouldn’t have to make it brain-dead easy to set up and use. If you buy Microsoft Office does Microsoft try and convince you to use OpenOffice instead because it’s free?! NO!!!
Wake up and smell the coffee kid.
Kreek
Lindows Insider and Lifetime member
Does this mean the legal battle is over?
I would like the courts to finish what was started. How can Windows be a trademark when it is a generic computer term which predates the operating system?
I will say this a simply as I can……
Lindows targets people to move away from Windows.
These users almost always accept the defaults.
These users almost always never tinker.
These users will by default be tied into a pay per use scheme.
I did not mean that to be patronising, just trying to make my point clearer.
In honesty, I did like like Lindows, I just did not like the way the company seemed to be running.
Raver 31 I dont agree with you. Lindows/Inspire is for Many people that do not know computers that well. These people do not even know how to copy a file from the hardrive to a floppy. One time, I had the experience of some office workers moving a computer from one room to another and when they plug in the transformers, they did not use care to examine which transformer went to what and subsequently blew out a few things because of incorrect voltage. Thats just the way it is. There are people that have absolutely no interest in learning much about a computer.
I think Lindows recognizes this and subsequently they want to make it super easy. Sure there are a lot of free software, but the point and click for certain people is the right direction.
hmmm exactly what I was saying, in a round about way…
People want the PC to work when they switch it on, people don’t want to look inside the system to see how it can be changed.
People accept what is given to them.
They will pay for this service…
OK, how is this, Lindows users, try Onebase Linux Go ( a live distro) on a spare pc, and see their implimentation of Pick and Get and compare that to Click and Run.
See which one is the easiest to use for beginners and which is the cheapest in the long run.
LinNext…
Very good name. Robertson should have picked this name in the first place because it doesnt sound like, or look like anyone was trying to piggyback Microsoft marketing. This case had nothing to do with who is right or who is wrong, it had to do with identity and this name change gives Linspire their own identity. They should change it here as well.
Linux is good, but it will never be anywhere near what Windows is today. Really come on, Windows on the Server and Windows on the end users pc makes any network easy to work with and it saves companies money in the long run. Why would you not want that? Plus you get good techs for cheap because every techie knows windows. Having a Linux guru would mean companies would have to pay more for a skilled Linux zealot. Not to mention scaring the CIO from firing them cause who would look after the Linux servers? I am glad the days of paying techs $95,000 a year, letting them get away with slack dress code, and doing basically anything they see fit for the IT department are over.
raver31 is starting to smell like a troll….
Choice means being able to both AFFORD and USE an operating system other than M$. Choice does not mean the end user has the ability to get into the guts of an OS and tinker. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I could cut my own hair for free but I chose to pay someone to cut it because it’s easier and faster and better. That’s how you should look at Click and Run.
Why not LAVA or LuSE, or maybe LeadHat, Labian, Lackware
Landrake, Leadora. Loppix,. Linspire sounds like something you’d pick up in a Hallmark store.
There’s already a company with that name in EU
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Linspire S.A. Société Anonyme, Luxemburg
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Where they too lazy to do a Google search???
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:nx-iZXZmB9IJ:www.etat.lu/memor…
Two totally different industries and the other has to complain about it. I dont think this will happen.
I like it it takes a while to grow on you and then it is pretty cool. As long as it works is the main thing.
I can imagine their sales dropping dramaticaly because of this useless name. It just doesn’t stick. Lindows had some of that skin-deep attractiveness to it. Linspire? Nothing. Void.
@mario
Debian, Slackware, Suse, possibly even Mandrake aren’t really such inspiring names.
They have become inspiring because of the quality of their product.
To raise awareness of the name change, Lindows has a promotion.
Go here: http://www.linspire.com/btorder
Now click the “Apply Coupon” button. Type in LINDOWS as the coupon.
You now have a free version fo Linspire 4.5.
How about “Linguini” or “LINacalifragilisticexpialidociOuS”
To quote:
Lindows targets people to move away from Windows.
These users almost always accept the defaults.
These users almost always never tinker.
These users will by default be tied into a pay per use scheme.
He just goes about in a distasteful manner and as a Lindows user myself my first instinct was to hit the ‘vaporize’ button but when I came upon those four lines I have to agree.
His argument is valid, IMO, though it would have been better if he wasn’t so, er, coarse.
Looking back at the responses I realized it would’ve been similar to mine.
I also realized that the responses are from those who have experience tinkering with Lindows (or experience with Debian GNU Linux).
Perhaps we are better educated to the ‘truths’ being more experienced Lindows / Linux users, but to the Lindows’ target audience, as he is referring to, the ‘truths’ are not as evident, if not totally different from ours.
… , I think, is that in the U.S. they will remain to be Lindows but everywhere else they are Linspire.
Pretty much like the re-branding of car models when they hit U.S. shores and vice versa.
In this day and age where an Internet entity is pretty much globally identifiable, the branding, re-branding thing just doesn’t sit well with me and I think it would be better if, after a few well publicized occassions, they completely change to Linspire.
It’s a great name anyways.
Fair enough.
But in the Lindows/Linspire forum there are plenty of advanced users, so a new user can learn as much or as little as he/she wants.
Heck, there are even tutorials on how to install Kde 3.2 or Kernel 2.6!
Does this mean the legal battle is over?
I would like the courts to finish what was started. How can Windows be a trademark when it is a generic computer term which predates the operating system?
I would imagine that in the next few days MS will quietly withdraw its suit. No court is going to compel it to continue with its lawsuit just so Lindows can pursue its common name trademark defence.
Given that MS has a) forced a name change on Lindows and b) preserved its IP rights on the Windows mark, it’s hard to see this as anything but a win-win situation for MS, and a huge backdown from Robertson’s bluster over the past three years.
yeah, sometimes I can be a bit course.
I apologise for that.
Anyway, at least someone was able to pick up on what I was saying.
The majority of Windows users out there never look past what Microsoft gives them. Why would these people be any different after they install Lindows/Linspire. They will accept the system the way it is given to them.
Click N Run is a good idea for these users. However, it should be a SINGLE icon on the desktop. There is no need to have Click and Run as a submenu under all KDE menus. It really does make it look like this company is only after cash.
Linuninspired is better-suited to them.