MandrakeSoft released the Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official version through BitTorrent.
Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official Download torrent
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This release still has the XP boot problem doesn’t it? Where the partition tables get screwed and windows is unbootable?
No there’s no problem on my PC with it ( multi boot XP Pro / Mandrake 10.0 Official / LFS on a Maxtor 120GB )
Did they switch to X.org or stay with the older version of Xfree86? Also, i’m on the fd.0 xserver mailing list, but i haven’t tried it in a while, is it approaching anything close to stable use yet?
“This release still has the XP boot problem doesn’t it? Where the partition tables get screwed and windows is unbootable?”
grub manages mbr in 2.6 kernels and the way it does it isnt suitable for windows xp because of it not following tech specs. this problem was also in fedora core 2 test releases
it only affects older bios systems and you can set the bios to lba or run fixmbr in xp after this
“Did they switch to X.org or stay with the older version of Xfree86? ”
they use a version before the license change and will switch to x.org release.
the freedesktop server is experimental and not likely to be released as a stable version soon
AFAIK, Mandrake uses LILO
I know it was in FC2 test, thats how I found out, it ate my XP and at the time I found information about it on mandrake bug lists. I do not have an older bios either, Its maybe 4-6 months old. I tried turning off/on LBA but there are only two options LBA or Auto, not off. Neither recovered for me.
This was a really bad move by Mandrake, Fedora and SuSe to include such a serious bug like this in a final release. I love linux but have not installed any of the above and will not until a patched ISO is released.
At least on the community edition I had no problems at all,but then again I went for the default option (LILO) instead of Grub.
BTW Oh I love when a new torrent comes out and there’s a lot of people downloading…got 106 kbps and still going up
“the freedesktop server is experimental and not likely to be released as a stable version soon”
I thought X11R6.7.0 was considered a “release” and equivalent to XFree86 4.4.0. X.org branched from XFree86 from a release candidate of 4.4.0, so it didn’t take much for them to get it to a stable version, and it’s really completely compatible. Some other distros are using it as standard. I think Mandrake just barely missed using it with this release, I think.
Or am I wrong?
p.s. I’m running x11r6.7.0 right now. No problems.
I know it was in FC2 test, thats how I found out, it ate my XP and at the time I found information about it on mandrake bug lists. I do not have an older bios either, Its maybe 4-6 months old. I tried turning off/on LBA but there are only two options LBA or Auto, not off. Neither recovered for me.
Does anyone know what on Earth is causing this? Is it certain hardware configurations, or is it a service pack of XP? I’ve been running a vanilla XP for some time (no service packs) and many Linux distributions with Grub and I’ve never experienced any problems at all.
How old does the hardware have to be to get screwed?
Also, i’m on the fd.0 xserver mailing list, but i haven’t tried it in a while, is it approaching anything close to stable use yet?
It is nowhere near complete (what is?), but it is looking good. It is the surrounding technology like Cairo and D-BUS that could really make the whole thing interesting.
Turned on ACPI (one checkbox in the settings panel), found that ACPI temperature read is faulty after laptop goes into thermal shutdown first time the cpu is under sustained load….
(compaq Evo n610c)
Nasty
The last time I did a Mandrake install was when 9.0 got released. Have updated my box from 9.0 -> 9.2 -> 10.0 CE -> 10.0 OE. This while having XP installed on another partion which has been reformated and reinstalled a few times in that time span. So I haven’t made an Mandrake install in quite a while but I never experienced any partition problems while upgrading.
I don’t think it’s at hardware problem since I have upgraded the box (mobo, CPU, RAM, the likes) in that time as well (this is where the need for an XP reinstall came in)
Maybe it’s the partition software in the installer that causes the problem?
that’s hardly anything to do with Mandrake – they just use the standard ACPI implementation, acpi4linux, same as every other vendor.
MDK 10 uses a moderately patched XFree 4.4rc2. Despite what people on this thread are saying, MDKsoft haven’t decided their future course for X yet (this was confirmed recently on Cooker list).
“Does anyone know what on Earth is causing this?”
One of the Mandrake developers had this to say on Mandrake bugzilla:
“Part of the reason I could not understand the bug, is that I could not believe windows XP was still using the error prone int13 function 2 (CHS based) instead of the (available everywhere for some time) int13 function 0x42. Under linux, grub and lilo only use function 2 when
function 0x42 fails (they don’t even ask the BIOS if it manages 0x42 since some BIOS don’t report correctly having this functionality, cf FORCE_LBA in grub)
The other reason is that I thought BIOS faking heads number (the so-called LBA mode) was a choice independant of the content of the drive. This is wrong, the BIOS tries to adapt its mode based on the partition table [1]
So here is what happened:
– kernel 2.6 doesn’t try to give the logical geometry, and gives the physical geometry instead [2]
– diskdrake uses the physical geometry to generate the CHS information (which is a broken duplicate of the linear sector number)
– the BIOS sees the partition table uses a different CHS geometry, and adapt to it
– … and Windows computes the CHS to read its stage1.5 based on the previous geometry that it keeps in its boot sector. Alas the CHS doesn’t get the same sector and Windows’s boot dies (with very bad error detection) [3] …
…Code fix description: inspired by the way new fdisk and parted detects the logical geometry based on the partition table [4]. parted code is especially quite robust. The fix is now included in cooker (DrakX #1.912), so:
I still would like to access the BIOS geometry, esp. for empty partition tables. But kernel 2.6 doesn’t give us this (/sys/firmware/edd/int13_dev80/default_heads is plain wrong on a box here)
Known workaround: forcing LBA mode in the BIOS”
(from this link: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7959#c21 )”
Another suggested fox, but not from Mandrake is to run the following command after Linux is installed:
sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk –no-reread -H255 /dev/hda”
Mandrake– Has been my number one distro since I started using Linux
. I’m thinking of buying a Box one of these days… Too bad I can’t just go into a shop here and buy a powerpack, I’ll have to do Mensys or something.
“”the freedesktop server is experimental and not likely to be released as a stable version soon”
I thought X11R6.7.0 was considered a “release” and equivalent to XFree86 4.4.0. X.org branched from XFree86 from a release candidate of 4.4.0, so it didn’t take much for them to get it to a stable version, and it’s really completely compatible. Some other distros are using it as standard. I think Mandrake just barely missed using it with this release, I think. ”
there are two releases
one is x.org release. it is branched off xfree86
another is kdrive. kdrive is experimental
Mandrake rocks and this release is wonderful. Stable, nice fonts, and fast. It was like getting a new laptop in terms of added response.
Try it. You’ll like it.
If you plan to use Mandrake, learn urpmi. (urpmi.org)
I recently installed FC2 on my XP machine on a second hard drive, and it had that problem. To fix it, I simply turned ON LBA access of the HD in the BIOS. It works like a charm! Windows wasn’t touched at all.
“Known workaround: forcing LBA mode in the BIOS” ”
this is from the bugzilla in mandrake. it is very clear that lba access prevents this problem
No way, i wouldnt even wish it on darl mcbribe.
Maybe i’d try 10.2, but 10.0? after 7.0, 8.0, and 9.0?
hell no. <shudder>
Actually, 10.0 Official is pretty nice, and a lot more bug-free (for me anyway) than 9.2 was.
I have a Promise TX2 IDE controller that I attach my hard drive to. On bootup, it seems that LBA mode is set by default (there’s no “BIOS” for the controller). Does this seem sufficient enough to go ahead and install Mandrake (or Fedora) on?
So, this torrent downloads all cd’s (seperate files), or just one huge dvd? If it download all cd’s, how many are they?
And this is really the official version, not the community, right? Because i’ve heard before they weren’t going to make the iso’s for 10 official avaliable… guess i got a wrong information.
Victor.
“On bootup, it seems that LBA mode is set by default (there’s no “BIOS” for the controller). Does this seem sufficient enough to go ahead and install Mandrake (or Fedora) on?”
yes. it should be. get a windows boot disk handy anyway and check the recovery steps with fixmbr
Yes this torrent contains all 3 iso files of the official version not the community
If I use Mandrake 10 Community + Updates, is there any compelling reason to move to the Official release? Or is it basically the same thing? Also, in the future will I be able to cleanly use RPMs designed for the Official release with my Community edition?
Regards,
Shaitan
I have run into trouble installing the rpmdrake update that seems to have been build against Mandrake 10 Official. The problem is that the rpmdrake update requires a newer version of a package (drakxtools) than exists in Mandrake 10 Community. This problem blocked the install of updates that didn’t depend on the rpmdrake package due to MandrakeUpdate giving up when it was encountered. So there is a chance that future updates might not apply cleanly resulting in the need to dig up and install packages from Mandrake 10 Official beforehand.
Well, the only problem I seem to have with CE is that for some unknown reason it doesn’t shutdown properly sometimes… It just hangs with a blue screen (ain’t that funny) with a stuck ‘X’ cursor… Haven’t been able to solve this. On the other hand, I haven’t really checked forums either… Maybe I should?
Anyway, are there any reasons to upgrade from CE to Official? I don’t want to go through the hassle of doing a fresh install all over again (and no, I don’t do upgrades in MDK, bad experiences) if it ain’t really worth it….
Still, MDK rocks
Using 10.0 powerpack right now, but there isn’t much difference with 10 official for regular desktop users like myself. Except flashplayer already installed, realplayer and nvidia drivers out of the box. Might be worth it for some people, but not for me. I borrowed it to try, but I think I will stick to 10 official. Anyhow, I had no bootloader problems and everything works like a charm here. I am just missing some packages like Amarok and the default Gimp wasn’t 2.0. Too bad gnome 2.6 came out too late, it isn’t included either. I agree with Thom, Mandrake rocks!
sorry to ask, is this the discovery or powerpack version as this is going to be my first mandrake try
This is the discovery edition
thanks for fast reply
more like its the powerpack without the proprietary stuff…
that is unless it dont have compilers and stuff and that is what i recall where the diff from discovery to powerpack…
Mandrake 10.0 official should be 4 CDs, not 3. Apache, and a bunch of other rpm’s are on disk 4.
I’ve been using this about a week, after getting tired of endlessly securing, maintaining, and cleaning XP.
Nice.
Looks good, dead stable, fast, good package selection, makes my cheap Compaq laptop (Presario 2190US) run like, well, an IBM.
Kudos to the Manadrake team.
Soon as a scrape some schekels together, I’m joining the club.
I can’t see much need for upgrading, if you are up to date with your various security and other patches.
If you aren’t, then by all means, do an update install. I didn’t really have great luck with CE, but whatever they did in the bug hunt to Official fixed all the issues I had.
Kinda offtopic, but i need to say it… the “star” logo of Mandrake has such an outdated (and a bit childish) look, *please*, design a new logo…
Victor.
Probably this is old news already, but ISO images of Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official are now available also via http://FTP…….
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3
Ed.