http://www.osnews.com/story/9049/Introducing_Inkscape_0_4 Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2012, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:09:13 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? The SVG for Calligraphy is broken. It's actually the PNG with its extension changed to SVG. Just so ya know. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? A very useful app. A couple things. Potrace works best on black and white material. Autotrace works best on color material. It would be nice if one can decided on which one. Also can Inkscape work with a pressure sensitive tablet? Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? inkspace looks like set to the leader amongst the open source apps. with the amazing progress of Scribus for DTP, the oss desktop is looking very viable.

i wonder if anyone knows of a natural-media painting program for oss? like Corel Painter? (which can use pressure sensitive tablets). gimp isnt a painitng program, its an image manipulation utility - geared to post processing photos or doing simple image creation for, say, web graphics. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I haven't seen any [good] natural painting app for Unix. I remember this one for BeOS though, Easel, back in the day: http://www.bebits.com/app/2170 (sample image: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/f/r/friedl/swan1.jpg.html )
I like these apps like Painter, Easel, Natural Media too...
Here are some good tutorials on Painter and Natural Media btw:
http://www.designertoday.com/tabindex-13/tabid-27/DesktopDefault.as...
http://www.designertoday.com/tabindex-12/tabid-40/DesktopDefault.as... Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:41:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? There's a difference... it's not decimal. 0.forty not 0.four. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I have to say, since the fork from Sodipodi, Inkscape has come on leaps and bounds. In terms of speed, stability, usability, and features (aka everything you could want) it has moved on massively. It definitely shows the guys were right to fork and that the Sodipodi development methodology was stifling the project. I would now list Inkscape among the top 5 open source desktop applications in terms of showcasing the Free Software desktop. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? BTW, this page has some links for apps that are natural-media-enabled: http://www.software-x.com/software/natural-media.html
From all these listed there, Pixel32 runs on Unix/Linux, and while its main focus is not natural media, it has some support for it, so it might worth a look. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? > with the amazing progress of Scribus for DTP, the oss
> desktop is looking very viable.

Don't forget TeX (and LaTeX, ConTeXt, etc.). OSS DTP has been viable for quite some time. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? > Don't forget TeX (and LaTeX, ConTeXt, etc.). OSS DTP has
> been viable for quite some time.

I think he means DTP for the masses, which, like most of things on linux, is not quite there. Don't tell the Inkscape and Scribus people though.. they're making too much amazing progress. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? But Tex is not usable for intuitive productive work from a Designer's point of view. Time is money and in daily work you have to quickly do the Layout's. Try this with Tex.....good luck.

For a Painting App., have a look at Krita in Koffice (no released Version until now). It's on the way from Image editing to Painting. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "
I think he means DTP for the masses, which, like most of things on linux, is not quite there."

thats not true. thats has huge amount of stuff very much "there"

firefox, scribus, gaim, inkspace, apache, bind, samba, vsftp,d postfix and so on Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? You wrote:


But Tex is not usable for intuitive productive work from a Designer's point of view. Time is money and in daily work you have to quickly do the Layout's. Try this with Tex.....good luck.

For a Painting App., have a look at Krita in Koffice (no released Version until now). It's on the way from Image editing to Painting.


As you point out that time is money I will point out that if you are publishing a several hundred page report, a novel, disseration, standard technical documentation for a company, using Scribus would be a waste of time and money.

I would use Inkscape for the necessary graphics work and Scribus for professional glossy brochures to magazine articles that allow for a broad use of color and layered composition, but then I would default to TeX/LaTeX/eTeX/ConteXt to do the press quality for bound publication more in-line with heavy on the content and soft on the eye candy.

Linux is shaping up well to attract Windows publication houses to truly consider Linux as their platform.

It won't draw any OS X publishing houses but that shouldn't be the focus. They should work together to draw away all the Windows publishing work.

My 3 main applications for pdf publication in Linux:

Inkscape, Scribus and Kile. I used to use LyX but got annoyed that Memoir.class and many other classes aren't native unless you embed LaTeX code directly, so I switched and learned LaTeX. Kile makes managing 600 or more page publications very efficient and increased my productive more than LyX.

I hope LyX 1.4 gets out soon. It's way overdue. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? It would be nice to have a link to Inkscape somewhere in the blurb, and in the article!

http://www.inkscape.org/ Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? It looks like the new Inkscape is hottt. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? or texmacs

It rocks for math docs. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Besides the ones already named (Corel Painter being best known)
* Photogenics (for Windows/Linux/Amiga) -- http://www.idruna.com/products_features.html
* Canvas (v7 free linux beta) -- http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/canvas/linux/
None of these are OSS though. I'm afraid you're out of luck for a OSS one of any quality... but for Linux, there's demos, and Canvas is free (though beta, and old). Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Native support on mac will be necessary to gain mindshare for such an awesome looking product.

I'll give the Windows version a whirl tonight and see how easy this Fink thing is to setup so I can put my dual G5 to work. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I have used this app couple more times in the past (and also sodipodi) It was still a great app without the new features mentioned in this article. But now it seems that it made much progressing and it is promising. I should download now and try out in hurry! Thu, 02 Dec 2004 05:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I must say that this is an excellent program! Just about everything about it is done right, the interface is simple but offering a feeling of control. Even this early in-development version is very useful. A shame other open source graphics editors don't learn their lesson from it. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? according to the fink package list, they're still on .39 and (in unstable) Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? The whole time, while I was reading the article, I was thinking to myself, no way in hell can a program this cool be free. But hey, this is 2004, OSS rocks, and this is just to good to be true.

Brilliant work from you guys. Keep it up and you will surely have the best painting program out there.

BTW. Does anybody know of a good OSS 3D CAD program (Linux/Windows) like AutoCAD. I'm a draughtsman, and AutoCAD is just way to expensive for personal use.

E Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? they updated it to .40 in the hour since i last checked Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Inkscape is great, but it would be nice to see more development for technical drawings (flow charts, UML, ...) like anchor points, better markers, ... It seems that the current focus is on artistic features. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? The splotch.svg works perfectly on my Linux box in Konqueror using adobesvg as well as ksvg and in Firefox using adobesvg. But the g.svg looks strange - actually it looks broken - and shows no animation. I haven't tried in IE. linux-magazine oct2004 has a comparison of such programs.
The closest competitor on the web is flash. But it looks like flash is turning into a movie player. I don't know if svg will take off on the web - despite being xml. Makes me think of those cute and silly MS commercials animated by white outlines being drawn around objects. They could be done using svg. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "BTW. Does anybody know of a good OSS 3D CAD program (Linux/Windows) like AutoCAD. I'm a draughtsman, and AutoCAD is just way to expensive for personal use. "

Depends on what you're doing with it.

http://www.salome-platform.org/

[Plenty of CAD Links, various licenses]

http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Thanx for the links. Salome seems really nice, very professional.

E Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? If you want a nice vector graphics program on Windows, check out http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/ . Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Tux Paint is a simple painter, but very funny to use. Much better then MS Paint, for example, and it's OSS and available for multiple platforms. To be honest, it was desinged for children, but I've used it with much pleasure :-)

http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I'm working on Krita with the explicit goal of making it the Painter of the free software world, with a dash of Art Rage and DaB. But it's a long road with few visible milestones. I hope to have littlecms-based colour management done by the end of this week, and then we can go to bigger things.

But the tablet code is already very nice, you can draw a nice, pressure sensitive line already. It just doesn't have fancy watercolours or oils. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Check out Dia (http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/) which is more aimed at creating diagrams (including UML). Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Inkscape is part of WinLibre 0.3( http://www.winlibre.com/en/ ), a free/open source Software distribution for Windows.

Inkscape is really a cool app you can use in your every day graphic job !

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- WinLibre automates and simplifies their installation Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I found a few on freshmeat as well, take a look:

http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=cad&section=projects&Go.x=8&... Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Doesn't this remind you of Xara (www.xara.com) from the RISC OS and Windows? Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I like the idea behind Krita, and I wish you luck. I've been reading the mailing list for the last 5 or 6 month to stay up to date, but it would be nice to hear more from your project outside of the mailing list. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Well done to the inkscape guys, it really is maturing at a rate!

One thing though, surely the preferences dialogue could do with some "Gnome HIG love"?

http://www.osnews.com/img/9049/preferences.png Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.40-CVS-dcber...

which wm, which desktop enviroment?

thanks! Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? One thing though, surely the preferences dialogue could do with some "Gnome HIG love"?

I agree. This is a great program, and I've already done a little work with it, but some of the dialogs could use a redesign, such as when designing gradients, where you need to move sliders and use buttons rather than manipulate the gradient directly. It takes too much time to do a quick gradient.

I'm sure it'll come, and with a 0.40 release there still is a bit of room for growth all the way up to 1.0.

Good luck. :-) Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? thanks everyone for the links to OSS painter programs (pixel32, etc) ... i didn't know these things existed.

i think the point about OSS viability for DTP has been answered. i did meet design oriented wysiwyg processes .. suich as pagemaker or Impression publisher*.

as it happens i've used Tex, and Lyx for years. other tools i use in the normal "workflow process" include:
* dia - diagramming - excellent
* psutils - for psnup, for ps2pdf, for ps2eps
* pyblioghaphic - a useful gui to manage bibtex files
* acroread - for those occasions when bad ps files need to be regerated via ps->pdf->acroread_print_to_ps .. don't ask my why, it just seems to sanitise some ps file.

which reminds me - in theory postscript files are great. in practise they are flaky and cause my softwarte to break or my printers to break. in contrast pdf files rarely do this - you can think of pdf as a subset of ps.

* (for the acorn archimedes, fantastic application for its time, ran from 3 floopies, no HD and 1MB Ram and was very very far ahead of its time)
http://www.cconcepts.co.uk/products/publish.htm
http://www.cconcepts.co.uk/products/artworks.htm - cf inkscape Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:50:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Industrial theme / Gnome and the Window border looks like the Human one from Ubuntu (with the Industrial colors of course) Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Ooops - sorry - i opened another screenshot by accident - so forget my post. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:07:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Sorry for adding noise - but this is a very nice article and a joy to read.

I hope to see many more like this on OSNews.com. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Inkscape is cool but it is really not suitable for small graphics like icons. Scaling down makes images blurry and hardly viewable.

You could see the icons on one screenshot and they looked quite nice, now try to scale them to 32x32 and you see what I mean. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? That's why KDE defaults to BIG sizes of icons. On the other hand, GNOME icons are made with GIMP and are not scaled but made for smaller sizes.

Anyway, a great article

Cheers,
gamehack Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? You CAN design great lookin icons with Inkscape: Adjust the grid and document size to your icon resolution. Change the pen width to 1. Draw precisely in the grid cells. This way you wont have any aliased graphic.

Pierre-Jean Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? "BTW. Does anybody know of a good OSS 3D CAD program (Linux/Windows) like AutoCAD. I'm a draughtsman, and AutoCAD is just way to expensive for personal use."

I would recommend qcad. http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
It's GPL and runs on Linux, Mac and Windows. Very full featured. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Does anybody know about OSS bugeting aplications like Presto for Building and Construction.

Thanks for the Qcad Link. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Does anybody know about OSS bugeting aplications like Presto for Building and Construction, of course compatible with Presto files.

Thanks for the Qcad Link. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:04:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? I would love to use this app on my Mac, it seems very functional and results look great. Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? It's eXPerienced gtk2/metacity theme in GNOME Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? Hey! The windows .exe binary went up from 7 Mb (0.39) to a whooping 19 Mb! I suspect it's that tracing feature... is there any possibility that this feature is removed, or a lightweight version be compiled? My computer doesn't have a lot of memory... Fri, 03 Dec 2004 02:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://www.osnews.com/thread? http://www.osnews.com/thread? It's not bloated. It just has all libs statically compiled. Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments