http://www.osnews.com/story/9535/Wishful_Thinking_An_ultimate_communication_device_for_PDAs_ Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:21:11 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? but the price is absolutely unrealistic. That would cost ~200$ minimum (bt, wifi, v90, ethernet + ir + firmware to operate all of them + drivers) Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? The IR costs about $2 USD. It's by far the cheapest of all. Bluetooth and WiFi cost about $10 each to implement in the OEM circles. Ethernet and modem is less than $7 each. The rest, is just the hardware parts, R&D, driver writing, and testing.

I believe that $99 is realistic these days for such a device, however, even if the device was offered at, let's say, $129, it would still be a good price for the features. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? BTW, lets not forget that the Bluetooth stack would not need to be fully implemented (only "net client" mode is needed), and that saves money on R&D and driver writing. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Interesting idea. However, power consumption of WIFI would require to use some low power 802.11b chipset, which in turn would drive up the cost significantly. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? My little surway on prices for serial2bluetooth modules (did that 2-3 months ago, with the hope to internally "bluetoothize" my sony clie by soldering inside the beast) proves smth. VERY different. 80$+.

http://www.azzurri.com/product/product.cgi?productId=456
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=114203
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=BTP_RS232

And these modules seem to me to be the perfect fit for the device described... I really want to be proven wrong... Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:12:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? IR requires line of sight-holding the PDA's Ir eye to this device would be cumbersome :-)

In regard to BT and using BT enabled mobiles to connect to the internet with a laptop/PDA, I did that when I was on the go and I had two separate devices. Two devices are kinda cumbersome so now I have an HTC blue angel (Siemens SX66 variety). At home I have WiFi and at work I have WiFi so I dont have to worry about getting online with my laptop anymore from weird locations, but i still have the option Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:32:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? You'll need at least 3 batteries (to provide a bit over 3.3V), but most probably 4 (to get 5V) - it'll give a lot more freedom in choosing the components. As was said, operating a WiFi antenna takes an awful lot of juice, and short-range bluetooth would probably be the preferred solution for such applications. I'm not saying that WiFi isn't a good idea to have, I'm just skeptical about whether it can be run on 2 or 4 AAs for a reasonable amount of time (let's say 4 to 6 hours) without either a bigger LiIon battey or an external PSU. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Eugina.... With all of those devices, you will need massive up-front costs for FCC testing. Also, I would recommend an AC Adapter or an ON / OFF switch for every type of network because with ALL of them ON all the time, constantly polling to see if new wireless connnections are availble, you will be draining your battery life for no good reason.

Also, 802.11x takes significantly more power than most people realize, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S OPERATING AS A GATEWAY. Like 0.5Amps.

Blue Tooth and 802.11b,g use the same frequency range, so their antennas would be the same size, just operating on different channels. The radio hardware would have to be pretty clean and have EXCELLENT FILTERING between channels (not the cheapola stuff you see for $9.99 at CompUSA.)

The processor wouldn't have to be any big deal since it's just forwarding data and "discovering" MAC ids and network connections to make.

You'd want SOME security, ATLEAST a password on the thing, since if I'm wardriving, I can now bridge over to your PDA and read your address book, sensitive information you capture at meetings (like the drawings you make of your boss while he's speaking,) and your contacts.

For V.90 modems, there are already MANY whole solutions in FPGA / ASIC. If your product was VERY cost senstive, I'd go for the win-modem type and do as much as possible in firmware / software.

What I would recommend, if you had the resources, BIG IF,
is do all of your hardware design in a very large and very fast FPGA. Buy a Strong ARM core and implement it. There's your processor. Design in enough ram, etc. Allow for an update system via USB or other HARDWIRED connection.

When newer standards or better compression algorithms or more channels of the 2.4GHz band get opened by the FCC, you will not need to re-spin the PCB. You can simply do a firmware update and boom, new product.

Each of the topologies you've mentioned are VERY refined, especially V.90 and ethernet and IR. Each has had its design absoultely squeezed to reduce cost over the years. each one has it's own ASIC (in this case, basically a program + processor + RAM all in one chip.)

If you were to BUY *GASP* the IP core *GASP* for a good processor, buy the IP core for a v.90 modem, buy the IP core for ethernet nics, and implement the hardware / firmware for IrDA yourself (its a very easy protocol and the hardware COULD NOT BE SIMPLER, you could produce this product yourself with all LICENSED IP CORES and be "in production" in your basement in 1 month.

Your biggest cost would be licensing of existing, very refined IP Cores, the software tools, and the FCC listing (See Part 15.239 and Part 62 (I think that one is POTs lines connected gear [v.90 modems].)


What you have to weigh are the usual constraints:
Either you want to spend NO MONEY and do it all yourself, all Core development, and PCB assembly (where the only cost is the time you put in and the cost of parts used.) This takes THE LONGEST TO GET TO MARKET. Leads to greatest $$$ per unit of sale.

or you want to spend LOTS OF MONEY, buy all the needed IP, tools, and get to market in a few months. Leads to lower $$$ per unit of sale.

or you can pay someone offshore to do it for you (no support). Leads to mid-level $$$ per sale, but will probably ruin your company in the long run when changes are needed if your developer disappears. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I think this is a very interesting idea and I would buy one if it were under $200 and small enough to fit in a coat pocket or even a backpack. This would be very helpful and useful at the hotel or in the coffee shop (with WiFi), when I just had to get that email off, needed to check movie times, reserve a rental car, etc. I would like to see the option at least to be able to plug into a wall outlet to conserve/charge the battery (I would go with lithium). Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Your idea sounds like a winner, but for more than just PDAs.

1) You should a USB 2.0 (or 1.1 at minimum) port. Then, the manufacturer of the device can sell cables that connect from the USB port of the device directly to your PDAs interface and reduce the IR speed bottleneck. You could have cables that are all USB on one end, but Dell, Palm, HP, etc on the other. Heck, it should be able to work with the existing USB sync cables that people already have.

2) Not all laptops have all the connectivity that your 12'' powerbook has. If a USB to USB cable were provided, you could connect this to another other laptop (or desktop for that matter) to get connected.

It would be simple enough to have a CD with drivers/applications for Win32, PocketPC, Palm, Symbian, etc.

3) Lastly, since you covered all wireless spectrums other that cellular, why not add in EDGE/1xRTT/EVDO? Then, the user just needs to activate it with the cellular provider and have another communications method.

Granted, the extras may not fit the $99 budget, but consider this: I can almost guarantee that *if* you can fit all of these functions into one device, and *if* it sells and people are interested, someone would be willing to license it and would make it smaller, faster, and with better battery life. Of course, unless you already patented your idea, you just lost out on all your royalties. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Put in a 4GB compact flash card (they're cheap enough these days to be in sub-$100 MP3 players). At least then, I would install Linux and setup a bogus access point/fake login page to trap the username/password of the T-Mobile users at my local Starbucks, then use that to configure the 802.11b in your device and bridge my way on over, and with an extra layer of anonymity since the MAC address of my laptop would now *not* be in the real access point's logs (only the MAC of the multi-device would show up).

Heck, now that I think about it... add an LCD screen to the case and embedded Linux on a CF card and we have, well, a PDA. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? And make sure you call it the "Choo Choo". After all, its going to be "The Little Engine That Could" for all the devices that couldn't. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "My latest PDA, the Dell x50v, has a 624 Mhz CPU, 128 MB ROM, 64 MB RAM, VGA 640x480 hi-res screen (via a hack)"

I just got the same PDA...but you said you are running 640x480 VGA via a hack...What hack is that? Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=14679 Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > Also, I would recommend an AC Adapter or an ON / OFF switch for every type of network because with ALL of them ON all the time, constantly polling to see if new wireless connnections are availble, you will be draining your battery life for no good reason.

No. Only one connection at the time should be made available, depending on the switch selected. When for example the switch is set to ETHERNET, the rest of the components would be off.

> Also, 802.11x takes significantly more power than most people realize, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S OPERATING AS A GATEWAY. Like 0.5Amps.

It would not operate as a gateway/router. It would only operate as a net client. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:24:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Thanks. Much appreciated. Any other recommendations for this new PDA (the X50v) ? Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yes, buy a 1 GB SD card for it from Dell.com. They only sell it for $75 (including tax and shipping), which is the cheapest price around.

And, if you have the money, also buy the higher capacity battery for it, because the big problem with the x50v is that it can only do 3 hours of battery, which is very low for any PDA.

Other than that, it's the best PDA on the market today (my only three nitpicks: low battery life, only 64 MBs of RAM, no camera). Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Already ordered a 2GB CF card, 1GB SD card, the high capacity battery and a nice SD-cam from HP for it. I was wondering if you had any more recommendations in terms of software Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Btw, have you found a better browser than Pocket IE? This is something I really need...Any recommendations there? Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? NetFront 3.1 is your best bet for browsers. Download it from www.access.co.jp I think. The rest browsers don't really matter as AvantGo crashes easily.

Regarding software, make sure you buy some stuff from Resco, http://www.resco.net/ they have some great stuff.

Also, there is a nice gameboy emulator for it etc. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Have a look at the Posio PX-30 ...
http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7459336271.html

This might be a good starting point - BT, WiFi, CF-Slot, Linux (hackable) & runs an OSGI server.

Add some guts from a mobile phone and some batteries and you're on your way. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Is this product aimed for the common consumer or for the rich guys, who already have bluetooth enabled cars. The price seems like it will be way up there. Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Sounds like Possio's PX30 would be the high end of this little niche market (with the PC card and CF slots and 'hackable' linux that would be my first choice - sorry). That's just shy of a full PDA. There are a lot of combo network devices out there, you should be able to splice something together. Good luck. Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments