http://www.osnews.com/story/9963/SuSE_takeover_pushed_customers_to_Debian_ Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:35:41 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Hail Debian! Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:42:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Ok so if it's USA dump it? I would hope the Germans are not that stubborn. I've got lots of German in my blood and I'm very stuborn, but I try to think logicly despite this. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Novell has been one of the most ethical, straight companies I have ever known. So what if it's an american company, it's goal was always the benefit of it's customers, not submission and bloodletting, like Microsoft. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:51:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? nothing against debian....but this will only reinforce the perception by Americans that Germans (and French) are whiners who have an inferiority complex toward the US. No matter what the question, if the US says yes, they have to say no.

Switching from a preferred piece of software just because it happens to have been sold to an American company reeks of taking your toys and going home because you didn't get your way. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? i will just have to sell my Volkswagon and Mercedies Benz and Porche and buy a Mini Cooper, Lexus, and Chevrolet Corvette Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "A German company that provides support for Debian, the free Linux distribution, has claimed that Novell's takeover of SuSE Linux has been good for Debian-related business."

And that's all there is to the article, no hard facts, no research, no numbers. Impressive. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? So you do believe marketing speech. The real reason is money 'cause the public sector is short on money. In the beginning none of the decision makers did trust linux in general but some good marketing of suse made them switch from windows to linux. Now these entities have used linux for a while, they have some people in the house that can run the installations, and their admins tell them that they are perfectly fine with replacing the linux stuff with debian. That's it.

So much for the truth, you bigmouths. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yes this could be believable I think..

The interests from german government and companies in SuSE products would have been to improve the poor german IT sector a bit more. There seem to be interests to keep the gross domestic product as well as the gross national product in the country. Now that Novell has bought SuSE the entire money that the german government and companies spent would move into the US. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > Ok so if it's USA dump it? I would hope the Germans are not that stubborn.

But the 'Buy American" movements during the early 1990s were okay?

Hey, noone is perfect, right? Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? This simply illustrates the advantage in using Linux no matter which flavor you choose to like.
With a proprietary offering like Windows for example our scenario would be

The word in Hannover is that some German government agencies have switched their allegiance away from Microsoft Windows, to Microsoft Windows because following the recent increase in price it is no longer cost efficient to use Windows.

Basically once you are there, you are stuck.

With Linux the following is possible....

The word in Hannover is that some German government agencies have switched their allegiance away from Suse Linux, to Debian because following the recent increase in price it is no longer cost efficient to use Suse.

Even though the news item was meant to illustrate another message this is the underlying advantage in using an Open Source product. No vendor lockin. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > i will just have to sell my Volkswagon and Mercedies Benz and Porche and buy a Mini Cooper, Lexus, and Chevrolet Corvette

Mini Cooper is made by BMW. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:22:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? To all crying boo,

Think about it they have just ditched a US software company (MS) because ultimately thousands if not millions is pumped into the US economy, while the german IT sector could do with that money. So what do you decide ? pump money into an organisation in another country or pump it into a few local organisations which will in turn improve employment rates and also allows the local workforce to become more skilled. Its obvious why they would.

I think Debian was started in the USA, am I not right in saying this ? Which means that Germany isnt snubbing USA, but prefers to spend its money more wisely.

Also its a wise choice Debian is a definate excellent distro. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "Noèl Köthe, a Debian developer and a consultant at Debian support firm Credativ, said at CeBIT on Friday that his German-based company experienced a surge of interest in its Debian support offering after Novell completed its takeover of SuSE Linux in 2004."

1) Couldn't he be a little biased? he is a debian consultant.

2) does it really matter? its still a) linux and b) we have no idea if this would affect suse at all. what if 30-40 added suse so they gained as much as they lost.? Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? RE: Mini Cooper is made by BMW.

yes, i was aware of that before i posted, i like those little cars... Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? i bet that novell tried to sell and replace the entire german servers
with the gnome desktop Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? This does make sense. It's not them whining. They just wanted to support a German company before. It's no longer German so why not save a few dollars and keep the money in the local economy?

I am not American and I avoid American products if there is a local alternative. Having said that, I do purchase some American products and have no problems with it. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Why don't they just use Knoppix? It's free and it's German. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Well, i can remember a GWB, caring for american steel worker vot.. eh employments, raising import duties in favor of the incompetitive american industry. The game is old, everyone plays it and it will ever be played for lots of reasons. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > nothing against debian....but this will only reinforce the perception by Americans that Germans (and French) are whiners who have an inferiority complex toward the US. No matter what the question, if the US says yes, they have to say no.

Inferiority complex?!?! Pore over the history and tell me where you (USA + Australia + "some others places" modern citizens) come from unless you have germinated there like cabbages!

Popeye the sailor man Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I live in Germany and read quite a lot German IT news every day. I've never came across any news that say that somebody switched from SUSE to Debian because Novell bought SUSE. After all this wouldn't make sense anyway, since most companies and agencies run Microsoft Windows and Microsoft is from... right, the USA.
Now I read on the UK site of ZDNet that a Debian consultant, who's name nobody ever heard before, says that some companies, which names he doesnt know or doesn't want to tell, have switched from SUSE to Debian. Facts: None. Proofs: None.
Why on earth doesn't that convince me? And more important: Why is this on OSNews with such a headline? Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:45:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Personally I find that SUSE, since the Novell takeover, has definitely improved. Not necessarilly in quality (I don't know if another linux release will ever impress me as much as SUSE 9.0 did), but certainly in generosity towards the users: 9.1, free Personal edition. 9.2, an excellent free DVD iso. You can freely download SLES and Novell Desktop... P2P sharing of SUSE Pro doesn't bother Novell at all (I know what I am talking about)...
Well, if my German friends are really beginning to boycot SUSE simply because it isn't German any longer, I feel sad.
I lived in Germany for quite a while, in several locations, and I find that the German people have two souls: one is extremely generous (and I truly mean it). The other one is a bit nationalistic. Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? - They're switching to a locally produced product. Good for them.

- There's nothing to back up the claims of the article. With no reference to back up their claim, the article is meaningless.

- The claim is made by a Debian consultant.

- A guy calling himself/herself "cheapskate" loves the mini-Cooper, an overpriced econobox.

The whole thing is silly. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Mini Cooper is British, and now owned by the German company BMW. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > i will just have to sell my Volkswagon and Mercedies Benz and Porche and buy a Mini Cooper, Lexus, and Chevrolet Corvette

Mini Cooper is made by BMW

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And lexus is made by Toyota...

But we haven't hated the japanese since WWII Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I also don't use any american stuff. I use monitor from china, keyboard from china, mouse from china, PDA from china, harddrives from korea, motherboard from china, processor from malaysia, cellphone from china, wearing clothes from china, vietnam and india, burning CDs and DVDs from taiwan... :o) Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? A person that runs a business which relies on Debian tells stories about customers swiching from SuSE to Debian for obviously unreasonable reasons. Don't you see that this is plain advertisement in to attract actual SuSE customers to his own business? This is not worth a story on OSNews.com (at least in my opinion). Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > nothing against debian....but this will only reinforce the perception by Americans that Germans (and French) are whiners who have an inferiority complex toward the US. No matter what the question, if the US says yes, they have to say no.

I don't believe this. Only quite recently, I remember that there was some drive in the USA to remove all references to France, ie. Changing French Fries to Freedom Fries. WTH ?!?!! Anyway, opinions defer as to where the French Fry was invented ; could be in Belgium or France. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Ok, I guess i am missing something here. Various government agencies have switched away for SUSE because it will no longer be a German owned company. How is switching it Debian going to change that? Debian is probably more of a gloabal based distrobution.

I guess I missing the point.

I wonder if there is some other issue at hand which is fostering the switch. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Oh that's funny, what if people and government agencies stopped buying foreign automobiles? Or *gasp* stopped shopping at Wal-Mart, aka "Made in China"-Mart. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:21:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I know Debian has universal participation in its development, but it seemed the last time I looked there was a good amount of Spanish developers over others. It would be easy to say quickly, Debian is Spanish.

Regardless, that article was really lame and light on facts. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? This does make sense. It's not them whining. They just wanted to support a German company before. It's no longer German so why not save a few dollars and keep the money in the local economy?

I am not American and I avoid American products if there is a local alternative. Having said that, I do purchase some American products and have no problems with it.

I think the first thing to do is actually *FIND* a product made in the US, then whether or not it is a reasonable price. In NZ, it is currently cheaper to purchase a low end BMW than it is to purchase a Chrysler. The cost of American made goods are astronomical, and the quality certainly doesn't live up to the price attached to the.

As for the article itself, the fact remains that American consumers, both government and private, *REFUSE* to use products from overseas. Its pathetic when you see it. Heck, there are Americans who think that New Zealand had foot and mouth and Made Cow disease - neither one of those diseases have come near our shores in 200 years of being colonised!

I think it is also rich of Americans to call this an anti-American backlash considering that US screams freetradee, but quite happy to subsidise agriculture to the tune of $30billion each year, provide tax breaks to exporters, have extremely high import tariffs and quotas on goods being imported into the US.

Sorry, but trade and everything else is a two way street. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? not being german but close to the border (.at :-) this just sounds stupid to me.
debian is a nice distro, as well as my favorite toy slackware, but with suse it is a lot easier to get a pleasant and integrated desktop up within an hour. considering the amount of tweaking it would take to make deb/slack convenient for the average (windows) office worker, they are just not comparable. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:11:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? actually I like novell, but I cannot imagine they picked up suse to get the german patriot market.

outside a few swastika manufacturers, thats just not a highly sought after market.

(psst., yes if you guessed I was just trying to take the rhetoric up a notch, you guessed right)

I have linux installed...it's been a long time, actually, but got tired of windows virus, so my amd box has ASP Linux on it. Way back when, I used to run red hat.

both are fine distro's...and so is debian and suse....not a dime's difference between them of course...but all fine. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I am from germany. First of all, i don't think that there are many people who would dump suse because of this. As some one said here already, the vast majority in germany runs (the american) windows. In business, public and private sector.

But, there is a certain crowd.. and not only in germany.. i can imagine, that some of them dumped windows in the recent anti-american wave because windows is american. And if suse was for some of them the favourite distribution, they were possibly pissed off as novell bought suse.

But usualy this crowd doesn't run a business.
And such extreme anti-american people are relative rare in germany.

There is a place in germany for this certain crowd though. www.heise.de/tp

Telepolis! Its legendary. Heise.de is the website of the biggest german publisher of computer magazines. Heise.de is the german slashdot, with trolls a bit worse than on slashdot, but not much different. Telepolis on the other hand.. well. Its a online mag by heise. Run by journalists who are, compared to the regular heise staff, really on the left. I think they were harassed by the other members of the staff a bit too often..

But the really bad thing about telepolis are its forums.

This guy as example is lamenting, that the peaceful anti-war protesters are lame fucks, compared to their radical counterparts in iraq, who are doing the real job:

http://www.heise.de/tp/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=7602699&...

He got flamed for that posting though..

But don't worry, its not much worse than democraticundergound.com (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_to...)

And while articles on heise.de get sometimes over 10-15 pages of postings in the associated forums to the article, the telepolis ones get rarely over 2 or 3.


To go back to topic: I can imagine, that some telepolis guys, would dump suse because of novell. But there are not many. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:27:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ... by that logic. - 99% of Germans' Software is Windows-based, and guess where Microsoft is from?! Righties... spot on. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Apart from Mini now belonging to BMW, it's Volkswagen, Mercedes Benz and Porsche.

But don't worry. Even if some government institutions should be dropping Suse in favor of Debian, there are still enough using Mikrozoft, Intal, or even Novall products. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:48:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Well, I do understand the point - I prefer to buy local products aswell, as it creates jobs, helps the economy and so on. Now that it's just another American company, there's no reason to stay loyal. I've been a Suse user for quite some time, but my feeling is that now I can compare the distributions more freely and choose the best, without any restraints. Currently, I'm most interested in Debian-based LiveCDs (Knoppix, Kanotix), but if the quality of SuSE products stays the same, I think I will continue using it. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? The germans have a history that can't be forgotten. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? For all those bitching about Germany potentially dumping Suse because it is now owned by an American company, I suspect you think back a little to your lovely "Condi" who specifically stated in a press release several months back, that because Germany and France didn't support the illegal US invasion of Iraq, the US would repay that by fucking over both governments in trade [and it was said with a lot of glee I might add].

So stop being two faced patriotic bastards and read a bit. It's OK for the US to screw other countries that don't side with it, but not for the reciprocol to happen. That's just pure and utter bullshit. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I see no reason why the US should dominate world trade, and dictate what other countries must and should do. It's about time other countries grew some balls and stood up and took full economic sanctions against the US and US companies, just to remind the US that is one country in a world full of countries, nothing more, and nothing less.

I say go Debian, it's a true international work of art.

Dave Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? @Bryant:

What would you like to tell us and what does it have to do with SuSE? Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Exactly. My comment has been reported, but all I said is that Germans are very generous but also a bit nationalistic. Aren't we all? Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? it's beneficial for people to keep money in their country rather than sending it elsewhere. This has nothing to do with nationalism, unless SUSE provided them a vastly more efficient product than Debian does. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:56:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? YOu might forget, as on heise.de/newsticker are so man y trolls and the forums of telepolis are also from heise, why shouldn't there also trolls.
Well, at least that is what trolls want, start flamewars, but does not mean the troll thinks the same in real life. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:03:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I'm really sad of reading such a dumb article. There may be firms changing. But there were always firms changing, and not for this only reason.
There are no facts, no stats, no something to hold this.
And this change makes no sense. There is no equivalent "german" product with same ease of use and commercial support in the debian world. Correct me in this, if I'm wrong.

For my own, I ever used debian and gentoo. My parents will keep going on with SuSE, as the security and stable progs are more important than actual versions, and yes, easy to configure, too. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Nobody forgets german history. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I can recall the same mindset here in Detroit when Daimler bought Chrysler--people were upset when a foreign company bought a local "icon". Daimler has been a supporter of local events and festivals and also been involved in the revitalization of the Big D. And now it's not so bad.

marytee Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? you are offtopic

the same I could say:
nobody forgets american history (desegregation, stealing indians the countries)

think about your unqualified statement Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? ...to stop supporting a company which was German; which still employs several German citizens; and which produces the distribution best localised to the German language.

Which is why I'm taking the whole article with a grain of salt, people aren't that stupid.

That and the fact that the article is based on a quote from a SuSE competitor, which is presumably trying to drum up support for their product. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/57519

That message is currently wired over all press agencies and newstickers. I guess the "small debian guy" had some preinformation so he made his claim a few hours before thereby trying to find some reporters who... well. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? To read about "German History"

He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone

And you know what I mean... Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? People shut up...it's only software, no need to call on the pasts of other nationalities because of a rumor that Suse is loosing business. Everyone's race has committed autrocities.....everyones...bottom line.
If the Germans want to support their economy then let them, more power to them, we do the same thing here in the US. It's what capitalism is about. You can't even park in a UAW parking here lot with a foriegn car.
Let's put it this way..I am American and I buy what is best for my money. Since I work for my money, I am going to spend it as I see fit. If that means buying a Japanese car (let's face it, they are the most reliable), Korean hardware for my computer, Japanese camera, German firearm (H&K), or Argentine beef, then so be it. I am not ignorant enough to let my options be limited because nationalist pride.
There is going to be opinions on whethere Suse is better because of Novell, but the point is is the product is good, who gives a rat's ass where it's from. If it's cost effective and well made then use it. It's your money, spend it as you like.
Unless of course they are Walmart...they are evil. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Yep, I also think so.
And Novell has also more advantages, SuSE will have finally a fully and actual supported (preconfigured) KDE _and_ Gnome Desktop.

@guidod
What has http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/57519 to do with the article in here? Nothing about the switch.
It only tells about the new run to the desktops of goverment and the "war" between MS and Linux-Distributors. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:58:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? @osnewsfellow The debian guy can not compete with MS in the goverment sector but Suse can. The small guy feels himself great if he can snatch away some crumbs from Suse atleast in the (smaller) linux part of the market. Nobody would have listened to that if he would have gone to the press today where the big guys show they muscles going for the big market shares.

Pulling in some helper arguments is a nice idea in the term of marketroid tactics but nationalist favourisms are really at the very low end of the points that a decision maker is possibly thinking about. The first points are money, again money, quality, integration, technology acceptance, and few hundred other things that should be cared about. The overall effect is neglible for the big market and therefore nobody in the world can test/falsify the claim of that guy related to the crumbs for which he offers commercial services. With the news today nobody does even care to try: it's unimportant. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? > With the news today nobody does even care to try: it's unimportant.
yep, I agree with that Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? "outside a few swastika manufacturers, thats just not a highly sought after market.

(psst., yes if you guessed I was just trying to take the rhetoric up a notch, you guessed right)"

You didn't take it up a notch, you just sunk it into the abyss.

Unless you're referring to Notch Johnson. Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Good things ever since Novell took over SUSE. I believe SUSE will only continue to rise in popularity. Its website is great, there is great organization, clear documentation, and they're constantly updating and improving it. Each new version is better than the one before. Very professional.

--EyeAm Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? but with suse it is a lot easier to get a pleasant and integrated desktop up within an hour

Don't worry, government agencies will not install plain Debian, they contract a company to deliver a customized distribution which is also updated by that company.

For example http://www.credativ.de/ offering such a service (which also resulted in up-to-date KDE packages for Woody ) Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Don´t believe everything that is published in the news !!! Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:25:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? I just can´t understand why do "dump" Suse cause Novell happened to bought it. IMHO it just brings more value to large organization by bringing new services (Zen, e-dir, identity management..) into hands. Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments http://osnews.com/thread? http://osnews.com/thread? Just goes to show just how stubborn germans are.

No wonder they got their ass kicked in both wars. Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymous) Comments