"Sun has purportedly gone out of its way to draw Linux developers to its hardware platform. Analysts even say that Sun has finally made peace with Linux. But if you look at their web site they appear to have a different story to tell as they attempt to build community support for Solaris10. Frankly, we believe Linux beats Sun in so many categories that we don't even have a race. While Sun wants you to 'get the facts' we notice that they persist in comparing Solaris10 to Red Hat's enterprise model. But that's not the only Linux out there."
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Member since:2006-01-13
Please take sbergman with a grain of salt. He has some beef with the guy and can't even spell his name correctly. He accuses him of numerous things - mostly being a fanatic. But, it's not true. Adelstein has 20 plus years as a writer, journalist and he had a reputation as an investigator. You can look up some of his titles on Amazon. But sbergman27 has a chip. I saw a recent post on LinuxToday where he asked that LT stop running Lxer articles. So whose the fanatic? Lxer has some decent writers and they just did a nice series on flame bait, how to analyze articles, and things sbergman says he's again. Sberman is as big a troll as me. He hits all the sites and does nothing else. I'm the same. Who has time to programm when all you do is read osnews, digg, slashdot, lxer, run searches on Google news for Linux and watch RSS feeds? I need to go into therapy I guess. sbergman, care to join me?
Member since:2005-10-09
Nice nickname. Regardless, and not defending anyone, I don't care if the guy who wrote the article (I won't even bother cut and pasting his name so it is spelled correctly..) has 800 years of journalism under his belt, that does NOT making him a good journalist. I don't care what else he has written that I can look up on Amazon. There are plenty of both crappy and good books out there.
All I care about was this article, and based on this article and neither being a "Linuxfanboy" nor a Sun whatchamacallitfanboy, this article was absolute trash. It was written by somebody who openly admits to not having much (any??) experience, it discussed "issues" with Solaris that are absolutely and completely non-true (installation time? I hope he's kidding - he must never have set foot into a data center. Hell, does he even know what a data center is?) Has he not heard of jumpstart, flash, etc as other posters mentioned?
The answer is, he probably hasn't! THAT makes this a bad article, and in my eyes, makes him a bad journalist. That is basic research, those are fundamental things in the Solaris world, and he could have popped in #solaris on freenode and as dead as that channel tends to be, gotten an answer in 10 minutes about how to install Solaris. Not only that, he could have just read the INSTALLATION DOCUMENTATION which CLEARLY outlines this.
I won't even get into the other flaws of this article. Simply put, don't throw #s of years of "experience" as a "journalist" into my face as a sign of validity. Enron had "years of experience" as a company, and you know the outcome of their fiasco.
Member since:2005-08-18
"But, it's not true. Adelstein has 20 plus years as a writer, journalist and he had a reputation as an investigator."
Isn't it wonderfull how one can remain totally clueless and unable to write coherently even after 20 years?
"I saw a recent post on LinuxToday where he asked that LT stop running Lxer articles."
An entirely rational request since not a single lxer article ever has been worth anything.
This is not about being pro-Solaris and anti-Linux. tadelste, and lxer in general, dont have a fscking clue whatsoever. lxer is down there with cooltechzone when it comes to producing worhtless articles. end of story.
Member since:2005-07-24
> can't even spell his name correctly
Thank you for that correction. :-)
I've noted the unusual spelling before, but for some reason I always think "Aldestein" when typing it.
I do think that Tom, although probably well meaning, is a bit overzealous in his activism, and a bit pompous, as well. i.e. I think he practices "bad" activism which only hurts our community in the big picture.
I should say, however, that this thread was of questionable "on-topicness" when I posted originally, and I will not be drawn into an ugly flame war here.
If you would like to continue the discussion, please feel free to email me privately at steve@rueb.com
-Steve Bergman
Edited 2006-02-28 21:12
Member since:2006-01-13
I don't wish to have a flame war. I just don't understand why you have to attack the guy. In your opinion he's over zealous and pompous. In my opinion, he's professional. He also does a good job running Lxer. Look at the Alexa stats.
Just for a correction, you couldn't have been an advocate of FLOSS since 1995. OSI didn't exist then.
Member since:2005-07-07
I've got two disagreements with "Linuxfanboy"'s posting:
(one)
In my opinion, he's professional
In the minds of a lot of people (including myself), those who set themselves up as professionals, especially journalists, fall flat on their faces if they cannot research their topic. They also need to ensure that they display the results of their research. Otherwise they're just opinionated people who have a platform to yell from. Mr Adelstein seems to forget that --- especially when it comes to writing comments about Sun Microsystems.
(two)
you couldn't have been been an advocate of FLOSS since 1995. OSI didn't exist then.
Bzzzt. Just because a certifying or standards organisation did not exist for F/L/OSS prior to 1995 in no way means that a person could not have been an advocate for F/L/OSS. Did you ever happen to look at, fr'example, the date on GPL version 1? How about version 1 of NFS?
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2005-07-24
As a strong FL/OSS software advocate since 1995, and as a former reader of LXer, please accept whatever apology I can reasonably give for Mr. Aldestein's fanaticism and ongoing vendetta against Sun Microsystems.
I often see it written in the comments on this forum that Linux advocates are a bunch of religious fanatics. Well, we certainly tend to be idealists, and we probably do have more than our fair share of fanatics. But there is much more to our community than that.
While I will concede that Linux may have the highest number of fanatics per capita, I suspect that the Mac community is not far behind. I suppose Windows probably has a lower per capita level of fanatics than either, but on an absolute scale, probably more flakes than the Linux and Mac communities combined.
The important thing to remember is that in all three of those communities, the fanatics are simply a vocal and irritating minority. (I suspect that no one is more irritated by the fanatics than the other, reasonable, members of their own community who are trying to practice "good" advocacy.)
I like this site because it is dedicated to the idea of operating system diversity. For all the fighting between factions, that attitude of acceptance towards diversity still shines through. (OS specific forums can tend to become rather insular and it's good for members to go out for an occasional reality check, IMO.)
This is why it pains me to see members of the FL/OSS community, who ostensibly believe in diversity and open competition, attacking other members of the community who have put forth the effort to "walk the walk" by opening their code.
I did not believe that Sun would ever open Solaris but, to my amazement, they really did. McNeally and the gang may be an aggravating lot, but they really did what they said they would do this time, and I respect and acknowledge that.
I welcome them into the community. Solaris has some very definite advantages over Linux. (People have mentioned DTrace and ZFS, but I'm sure there's more.) Linux has definite advantages in other areas. (It's pretty clear that Solaris needs a lot of work on hardware support, for example.)
Linux is still my favorite OS, but I'm not afraid to see some more competition.
This post may or may not be completely on-topic in this thread. But it seems as good a place as any. Every time I see a FL/OSS advocate spout intolerance in these forums, I think "I should say something".
Well. I've said something.
Thank you for your attention.
Edited 2006-02-28 19:26