Sun's CEO Scott McNealy has published an open letter to HP, proposing a merger of their respective UNIX platforms. In the past, Sun's top execs have been highly critical of HP-UX's future. Sun's president Jonathan Schwartz has repeatedly referred to the 'demise' and its troubled commitment to Intel's Itanium chip. Now, it seems, they've hit on a new idea. "We propose an alternative," writes McNealy in the letter, "that Sun and HP commit to converge HP-UX with Sun's flagship volume UNIX, Solaris 10.'
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Member since:2005-07-08
And what does Sun's comments about Linux have to do with this topic? This isn't so much about Solaris being better than anything else, but an opportunity for HP to preserve some of its customer base by joining with Sun. Now whether they do so or not is up to them and their customers, and I am willing to bet the customers will be driving this train.
Your response to the comment by 0xbadbeef is ridiculous, he is talking about HP porting HP-UX to x86 which isn't a bad idea. Why would HP short change themselves in terms of hardware support? Or is this yet another "Solaris sucks because it doesn't support my white-box hardware" slam?
If you want Solaris x86 to work on your hardware, start by reading the HCL! It has always worked for me and I have been using Solaris x86 since Solaris 7!
Member since:2005-07-06
>And what does Sun's comments about Linux have to do with
>this topic?
Other than the fact that Sun's double talk about Linux over the last few years has pissed off a large portion of the Systems Admin community who are the ones responsible for makinga and influencing these sort of decisions.
I guess Sun doesn't realize that their waffling back and forth between being cozy and backstabbing the Linux community is actually insulting to their own core customers and decision makers.
Member since:2005-07-07
And what does Sun's comments about Linux have to do with this topic?
Did you actualy read my post or are you just acting blind in your daily zealoting manner?
In my last sentence I posted what would Sun comments be after this would happen'. At least history of Sun embrace-extend says that.
This isn't so much about Solaris being better than anything else, but an opportunity for HP to preserve some of its customer base by joining with Sun. Now whether they do so or not is up to them and their customers
No, actualy, if they would backstab HP-UX as they do in a daily fashion to Linux community. HP-UX would only loose customers, not preserve.
And face it, most of the Sun cooperation or their embrace-extend are done by backstabbing techniques.
And I bet you live in Neverland where the happy rabbits are sharing lunch with wolves without need to be scared. Either that or you're naive.
and I am willing to bet the customers will be driving this train.
Customers like that (the ones demanding Solaris port) would be probably better to just move on Solaris, smarter move than waiting few years to get what they wanted after who knows how many bugs. Either that or they would be stupid.
Your response to the comment by 0xbadbeef is ridiculous, he is talking about HP porting HP-UX to x86 which isn't a bad idea. Why would HP short change themselves in terms of hardware support? Or is this yet another "Solaris sucks because it doesn't support my white-box hardware" slam?
No, actualy the one ridiculous here are you.
My, point was simple (even simple minded should understand it). There are 99.999% of other OSs with much more x86 support. Doing a port on system that supports almost zero x86 hardware would be waste of money. First porting costs, and then after all the drivers costs and for the cake, there is a Sun hardware which competes now for the same customers. Stupid.
Yes, porting on x86 is not a bad idea. But, porting like Sun proposed is. Or, it can be called marketing suicide.
If you want Solaris x86 to work on your hardware, start by reading the HCL! It has always worked for me and I have been using Solaris x86 since Solaris 7!
Great, all I need now is you (always being so preachy) to come at my home and persuade my Adaptec controller to stop displaying errors and slowdowns (and no, it is not faulty. Works like a charm under any other OS). Yes, all my hardware is on HCL. This is the first thing I check before I install any OS. Network card just hangs sometimes for a minute and comes back (perfectly everywhere else), again it is on HCL.
Off course, I should just tell my Adaptec that errors displayed are illogical and can't be. In the end it is listed in HCL and how could he know.
And please, face it. Solaris x86 support is slugish and mediocre at best. I know you use SPARC. Solaris was made for SPARC. No argue there. But on x86, it sucks.
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2005-07-07
If HP had half a brain, they should have considered the offer seriously.
And when they are at it, they should probably press "self destruct" button too? Just as smart move as your comment, when you take Sun PR/OS moves in question. I'm specificaly reffering to their deeds and comments about Linux.
It is not that I hate HP-UX without any particular reason, but rather because Solaris 10 has so much more to offer.
Every OS has something special to offer. Personaly, I value Linux higher for some specific reasons tied to my bussines.
Simply the fact that HP-UX would run on x86 would be worth it.
And by gaining poor selection of x86 hardware as Solaris supports? They would gain what exactly? I can tell you what they would loose.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but even my Opteron is not fully supported under Solaris10. Few friends of mine simply just returned to Linux without questions asked for the same reason.
/*my personal opinion*/
This is nothing but another PR scam Sun produces. Linux love/hate mood days are so common in the last years. But, hey Linux got a friend here, it's HP-UXs turn now.
What Sun is interested here is probably just to be able to produce something like brandz (in linux case, in my case I'm just as interested in brandz as in running Win apps on wine, zilch, zero, not) to do the same for HP-UX. After that, we all we can expect are "Solaris is better HP-UX than HP-UX" claims.