Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Mar 2006 21:32 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless In a preview of Tuesday afternoon's demonstration, Intel Marketing Director Brad Graff showed CNET News.com several of the Ultra Mobile PC devices, including an example of the kind of hardware that will ship in the next few weeks as part of the Microsoft effort. As earlier reported, the first devices have a 7-inch touch screen, standard x86 processors, and can run full versions of desktop operating systems including the Windows XP variant being used for Origami.
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blogged about it
by Eugenia on Tue 7th Mar 2006 22:00 UTC
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RE: blogged about it
by ormandj on Tue 7th Mar 2006 22:33 in reply to "blogged about it"
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2005-10-09

I won't question the link to a blog post from today's date, but I'm a bit curious about your post (having read said blog.)

"So why is this new Origami project generates so much buzz while Be/QNX have both failed, I don't know. The only difference between the two systems were that the BeIA and QNX RtP OSes they were running were not full featured, but instead strip-down web-related software (just a picture viewer, a web browser, email, etc). Maybe this variant of WinXP is more complete. "

Because MS has huge amounts of money, so does Intel. They made sure everybody and their mom has heard about this new "project." Supposedly secret, but *somehow* it seems like every media outlet on earth got ahold of information about it. Be and QNX never generated said buzz, they didn't have the money (read: power) to do so. It's never about technical superiority, or even innovation. It's about convincing consumers you offer something they want, and getting them to pay for it. There are lots of *technically* superior products in all kinds of catagories floating around that flop compared to inferior products, with better marketing. That's life in the free-market!

Hope that clears up some things. ;)

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RE[2]: blogged about it
by Peragrin on Tue 7th Mar 2006 22:55 in reply to "RE: blogged about it"
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2006-01-05

The problem has never been software features or else we would still have the Newton. It's been a combination of processing power to deal with media, battery life and weight.

It's the only thing holding back Tablet PC's. 3 hours of battery life doesn't cut it in an 8-10 hour day.

Also Tablet's where highly publicized in 2002 and 2003 . Companies are still making new ones, and Tablet edition of XP has been updated but you don't hear advertising about them much.

I want three things in a tablet. handwriting recognition that works for me(okay that's hard I admit it), A battery that can last all day between charges with Wi-FI enabled. And Under 3 pounds in overall weight. why can't anything come close? The Nokia 770 is tempting but I have to find out if i can add software to it. Like a Bash shell, and SSh client, and an IRC client.

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RE[2]: blogged about it
by Eugenia on Tue 7th Mar 2006 23:02 in reply to "RE: blogged about it"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Isn't this what I said on my blog too? You didn't quote the next paragraph on my blog, which is exactly what I say about the issue too. So, I don't get this reply of yours. You are just duplicating what I said about money and power.

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RE[2]: blogged about it
by hobgoblin on Wed 8th Mar 2006 01:22 in reply to "blogged about it"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

two things:

first of all, this baby runs full version windows. this means people can take their exiting software (including games) and run them on it. this allows for a much quicker uptake.

second, you image link (to a google search) includes images of the nokia 770. from what i read, this device have not flopped. hell, even nokia was surprised about the interest.

why?

its running a full linux system. it even allows more or less rapid porting of gnome apps. iirc, even gaim is allready available on it. and with a bluetooth keyboard (complete with drivers, supplyed by the community) you have a very potent tool in your pocket.

and from the looks of it, its even smaller then the "origami" device presented by intel and microsoft.

so its not so much about money as it is using existing marketshare to get a new device out (hell, antitrust?).

so you dont need money directly, but you need to get noticed. and you need software. a platform without software is dead in the water.

the origami have the enormous windows "empire" behind it. the 770 have the linux comunity backing it all the way. what did the BE and QNX devices have?

so in the end its not so much about money as it is about "community"...

btw, why not "blog" here on osnews ;) why do it on slashdot? and if your going to do it on slashdot, allow people to comment on it there ;)

Edited 2006-03-08 01:38

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RE[3]: blogged about it
by Brendan on Wed 8th Mar 2006 04:59 in reply to "RE[2]: blogged about it"
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Hi,

first of all, this baby runs full version windows. this means people can take their exiting software (including games) and run them on it. this allows for a much quicker uptake.

Are you sure about that? For example, any software that does "Press any key to continue" is going to be a problem, and writing a word document by cutting and pasting words from a dictionary might be a bit hard (assuming there's a fast alternative to "control+C" and "control+V").

I don't know - maybe there'll be a virtual keyboard on the screen where you can touch the virtual keys, but then the virtual keyboard will probably take up most of the screen making it fairly hard see what you're doing.

What it really needs is software designed to work without a keyboard, but I can't think of much here - a few games and a web browser (as long as you don't go want to reply on forums, etc).

Perhaps speech recognition might be a viable alternative - otherwise handwriting a letter might be easier than sending an email...

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RE[3]: blogged about it
by Soulbender on Wed 8th Mar 2006 12:20 in reply to "blogged about it"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

How exactly has QNX failed? Having one of the biggest router manufacturers in the world use your RTOS isnt exactly a failure. Maybe you ment mobile devices that happened to use QNX' RTOS? That's not a failure for QNX itself though.

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RE: blogged about it
by memson on Wed 8th Mar 2006 13:25 in reply to "blogged about it"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Eugenia is right. These devices look enough like the old Dt300 I used to own running BeIA. Cool little device, had the WiFi been something other than some proprietry proxim one, I would still own/use it.

Also have to point out... BeIA was a fairly full OS under Wagner. If you quit Wagner, you booted into Tracker...

The problem with BeIA was that it was unfinished (at least the engineering samples I used.) Wagner was fairly stable, but booting to Tracker proved that there were bits missing. Mostly this was the filesystem used (CFS rather than BFS) and the fact that all the Exe's were in "crushed" into CELF format (compressed ELF.) BeIA was fully expandable if you didn't compress the apps (and compressing the apps was not mandatory, though it halved the install base) - indeed a lot of R4.5 and a number od R5 apps and drivers will work with BeIA so long as the OS was not crushed.

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