Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 12th Mar 2006 18:40 UTC, submitted by kaiwai
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y OSNews regular Kaiwai takes a superficial look at Vista and MacOS 10.4/10.5, and concludes: "To say that the changes in Windows Vista are only skin deep is missinformed to say the least; spend some time reading those sources I have listed, and even if you don't have a desire to run Windows Vista or particular interested in Windows based technology, it does provide some good resources explaining the changes and rationale behind those choices made. So from a purely technical point of view, Windows Vista is actually looking a whole lot more interesting than what the detractors have been saying in the computer press about the current direction."
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RE[2]: Too many years
by ronaldst on Mon 13th Mar 2006 01:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Too many years"
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

@sp29

Why didn't they just hire Apple to write their OS!

Finder is still crappy. Taskbar > The Dock. Apple fumbled on that one (the Dock). The Top screen menu bar also is a usability problem. Problem reveals itself when toolbars are present. Windows has a better desktop interface by default. Just needs to be streamlined.

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RE[3]: Too many years
by rayiner on Mon 13th Mar 2006 01:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Too many years"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Finder sucks, but its still better than Explorer. At least trying to browse an FTP share doesn't make Finder explode. Taskbar sucks compared to the Dock. That's all there is to it. Don't forgot, on OS X, the Taskbar equivalent is the Dock + Expose, not just the Dock by itself. As for the top-screen menu --- it owns you. I know Microsoft folks don't believe in UI research (or other sorts of high-falutin learn'n), but that doesn't make it any less true.

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RE[4]: Too many years
by ronaldst on Mon 13th Mar 2006 05:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Too many years"
ronaldst Member since:
2005-06-29

@rayiner

I know MS often fails at UIs. But they got it right with the Start Menu and TaskBar. No wasted space like the Dock. More responsive than Finder. I never used Web Folder so I can't give you my opinion on that part. I use SmartFTP for FTP duties.

The worst part of Mac OSX's UI is the maximize window part. Why do every app maximize differently? User has to move with the mouse the app edge just to have it maxed out. Loses monitor spacing because of the fat Dock wasting precious space.

The top screen menu had good usability when they had the task list inside it. That's it. The Toolbars getting in the way is annoying. OMGWTFBBQ!

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RE[3]: Too many years
by atsureki on Mon 13th Mar 2006 04:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Too many years"
atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

Taskbar > The Dock.

My brain just exploded.

The clutterbar is a thoughtless tack-on that does nothing to help the user work. It's a graphical frontend for alt-tab. I'd honestly like Windows a lot better if I could just turn it off completely. Open too many windows, and you can't see what any of them is called. Good luck keeping a bunch of IE pages straight. MS tried to fix this with "Group Similar Taskbar Buttons," but submenus are tedious. When I want Safari, I click Safari. Whether it's already running or not isn't my problem. The system gives me Safari. If I have a bunch of pages open, I have four different ways to switch between them (off the top of my head, and I'm not even at my Mac right now), and no number of open web pages can in any way interfere with my ability to locate and identify the Finder window I'm going to need later. MacOS and its dock keep windows arranged by task. It's a more elegant system, to say the least.

People looking at shop demo Macs should really try to notice more than just the bouncing icons.

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RE[4]: Too many years
by CuriosityKills on Mon 13th Mar 2006 07:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Too many years"
CuriosityKills Member since:
2005-07-10

Here is your clue:
http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html

Also i always keep my taskbar vertical. This works pretty well for almost 25 windows however i can only see first few letters of the application title, usually enough to identify the app.

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