Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Mar 2006 18:48 UTC, submitted by William Beebe
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "The 770 is not for everybody. If you want something for practical day-to-day use, you're better off buying a PDA or smart phone. And a word to Nokia: make nice with Microsoft. I would love to be able to run Windows Mobile 2005 on this device in place of your version of Linux. It's both fast and complete. Trying to impress the Linux geek crowd is not a good business plan, nor is trying to shoe-horn Linux onto this type of platform. Using Windows Mobile 2005 would make this a far better, and far more successful, mobile device." And part II, one month later: "Right now, I feel like I've pretty much wasted $380 on the 770. I continue to work with it the hope I'll find some hidden feature or application I've missed so far."
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Quit nagging
by trendzetter on Sat 25th Mar 2006 19:29 UTC
trendzetter
Member since:
2006-03-25

Why are you buying the device anyway ? It's anounced that is would be running a gnome based linux. No surprises there.
If you wanted a windows mobile device why don't you buy one ?
This is FUD.

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RE: Quit nagging
by dsmogor on Sat 25th Mar 2006 20:16 in reply to "Quit nagging"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

This is not FUD. He didn't cirticize the mere fact of including linux but the overall sucky device experience that he suspects can be connected with the software quality.
He also pointed his fingers to concrete problems.

Now you can be sure he (and most readers of his blog will never ever buy linux based mobile device.

Edited 2006-03-25 20:34

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RE[2]: Quit nagging
by trendzetter on Sun 26th Mar 2006 09:04 in reply to "RE: Quit nagging"
trendzetter Member since:
2006-03-25

I tell you this IS MS propaganda. The guy is not who he tells he is. He is laying to much emphasis on him demanding it to run "Windows Mobile 2005" and that nokia's businessplan is bad because they shoehorn ( force ) linux to run on it. A 20 year old student doesn't care about the businessplan of Nokia unless he is being paid by someone to do so.
Some of his previous articles where also rants about unix being less secure that windows.

This is what I call a review:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia770.ars

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OT RE[2]: Quit nagging
by dsmogor on Sun 26th Mar 2006 13:09 in reply to "RE: Quit nagging"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Ha ha,
look at the score my post and the parent got, despite them beeing completely contradicting each other.

This tells a lot about this site audience.
Thom, how do you find this ballance?

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RE: Quit nagging
by ryan on Sat 25th Mar 2006 23:09 in reply to "Quit nagging"
ryan Member since:
2005-07-06

Just because you don't like the conclusion doesn't mean it's FUD. Do you even know what FUD means? He's someone who bought a product and is telling other people what his experiences are with that product. If he was telling people to not buy it because he just guessed it didn't have enough RAM, or that he figured there wouldn't be enough good software available that would be FUD.

This was a valuable review to me, someone who is interested in the 770 device. If it can only browse a few pages until it crashes, takes a minute to start up, and can't render flash properly -- that's a bunch of serious negatives in my book, enough to justify not shelling out $380 for this product.

I'll wait until Nokia comes out with a successor that deals with some of these problems, obviously this is a first generation product and it has some problems still. But calling this review FUD is not accurate nor helpful.

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RE[2]: Quit nagging
by mallard on Sun 26th Mar 2006 01:26 in reply to "RE: Quit nagging"
mallard Member since:
2006-01-06

If it can only browse a few pages until it crashes, takes a minute to start up, and can't render flash properly -- that's a bunch of serious negatives in my book, enough to justify not shelling out $380 for this product.

That is FUD, but for completeness I will go though your points:

only browse a few pages until it crashes
No, you can only have a few browser windows open before it runs out of memory and asks you to close one.

takes a minute to start up
On first boot/reset. The device is normally left in sleep mode, so 'start up' is instantaneous.

can't render flash properly
No, its a memory issue. Flash renders fine, just the device lacks the memory for some flash-intensive sites.

Memory issues can be mitigated (to a large degree) by creating a swapfile on a memory card (instructions on the Maemo wiki).
'Missing' applications such as word proccessing, spreadsheet and PIM are also available.

A major firmware upgrade is due very soon.

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RE[2]: Quit nagging
by kaiwai on Sun 26th Mar 2006 02:02 in reply to "RE: Quit nagging"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Just because you don't like the conclusion doesn't mean it's FUD. Do you even know what FUD means? He's someone who bought a product and is telling other people what his experiences are with that product. If he was telling people to not buy it because he just guessed it didn't have enough RAM, or that he figured there wouldn't be enough good software available that would be FUD.

Even that wouldn't be FUD; FUD by definition is Fear, Uncertaintity and Doubt - normally created by companies to bring into question false issues relating to a competitors product.

In this case, an example if FUD would be, 'this product uses Linux, and given that it is opensource, someone might hack it!' - now *THAT* is classic FUD.

As for the review, its a good review, warts and all; the Nokia 770 is a shipping product, and the reviewer reviewed it as such - with expectations that it would be up to the same standard as a PalmOS or Windows Mobile 2005 device; I see nothing wrong in that regard.

For me, however, $380 is a bit to shell out for a product, given that one can purchase a laptop for a few hundred bucks more, and without the limitations of a 770; the other question I need to ask is this; what is the purpose of this device? it seems to be a device looking for a market.

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