Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Mar 2006 17:02 UTC, submitted by Nehemoth
Internet Explorer BusinessWeek is reporting that Microsoft's next release of Internet Explorer, version 7, will not be integrated into Windows. Breaking nearly ten years of tradition, Internet Explorer was always very tightly integrated into Windows, allowing users to do such things as launch a website directly from any Windows Explorer window, or save a live web page as the desktop wallpaper.
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RE[3]: It's all about security
by Ascay on Tue 28th Mar 2006 17:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's all about security"
Ascay
Member since:
2005-07-11

KDE has components called KHTML and KJS. These components are for example used by Konqueror to render websites. The system is very transparent and the components can be deinstalled without a problem. You could even substitute the components with Gecko (there are some projects that do that) because the interface is Open Source.

Quite a difference to Windows with IE imho.

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RE[4]: It's all about security
by siride on Tue 28th Mar 2006 18:08 in reply to "RE[3]: It's all about security"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

And more importantly, KDE is just normal software that runs as a low-privilege user. It's not part of the OS, it's not even part of X11, which is itself not part of the OS (except for DRM drivers in the kernel). It's a far cry from Microsoft's level of integration.

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RE[5]: It's all about security
by Tom K on Tue 28th Mar 2006 21:50 in reply to "RE[4]: It's all about security"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

IE and Explorer are also normal software that runs at your account's privilege level. They're not part of the OS, or even a part of the window server, let alone the kernel.

Not much different eh?

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RE[4]: It's all about security
by CPUGuy on Tue 28th Mar 2006 18:28 in reply to "RE[3]: It's all about security"
CPUGuy Member since:
2005-07-06

No, this is exactly how IE works, actually.

The only difference is Windows specifically uses Trident and you can not substitute.

So, other than not being able to substitue Trident for another rendering engine, you explained EXACTLY how Windows uses IE.

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Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

You could replace the components that compose IE, too. This is basically the approach WINE uses, with Gecko as the backend. You could delete the DLLs and break all of the software that makes uses of the controls, including the shell. If you were really determined you could use Windows without IE.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

You could delete the DLLs and break all of the software that makes uses of the controls, including the shell. If you were really determined you could use Windows without IE. --Get a Life

I do just that. Only I automate the process with a little something called nLite and this helps me to configure my Windows box (when I use it) to use the apps I want without the insecurity of IE on my machine. The only thing I can say about this 'news' is that its too little and too late for many of us who have been doing the deintergration dance since Windows 98 hit the shelves, as most of us have either moved on to Mac OS or Linux or are carefully preparing our hardware software data formats for such a move.

Microsoft usually gets it right...eventually. Unfortunately as this whole IE fiasco has shown over the years, when they get there they have a bad habit of allowing themselves to lose their momentum and becoming arrogant about their position. These days however there are more and more alternatives popping up all over the place and many of us are unwilling to wait long enough to allow them to get it right this time.

--bornagainpenguin (who wishes these mega corporations would go back to serving the end users and power-users rather than themselves and their mega corporation friends...)

PS: nLite can be found here: [ http://www.nliteos.com ]
Forum discussion can be had here: [ http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=89 ]

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RenatoRam Member since:
2005-11-14

That's false. If you manage to install IE with WINE it uses exactly the same code as on windows: gecko is NOT required.

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