Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Mar 2006 21:49 UTC
OpenBSD "Theo de Raadt is the project leader for OpenBSD, a Unix-like operating system. We spoke with Theo about the upcoming release of OpenBSD, 3.9, the financial state of the project, and about companies that profit from free software without contributing back."
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Re: This has nothing to do with the license
by Lazarus on Wed 29th Mar 2006 04:55 UTC
Lazarus
Member since:
2005-08-10

Agreed.

This is no different than say building a 'Linux From Scratch system,' making no changes to the source and selling the resulting binary system (with source provided), keeping all the money you make from it, giving nothing back to the people who wrote the software.

Different licenses, same result. Let's try to put a little more thought into our arguments people...

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

only that there are not many companies that would not make some changes to the source to improve it, if they can, or to suit it better for their needs...

So, once they make the changes to the source, and they want to use it for whatever they want (resell it, for instance), they do not have any moral or legal obligation to contribute back to the author of the sources, if they have tale BSD type licence sources, as it is stated in the licence!

!!!

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Unfortunately the GPL *still* doesnt have any clauses about licensing fees. How hard is this to understand?
Both these licenses (and most OSS licenses) ONLY deals with the source code, not with any monetary matters.

Edited 2006-03-29 08:38

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Temcat Member since:
2005-10-18

"This is no different than say building a 'Linux From Scratch system,' making no changes to the source and selling the resulting binary system (with source provided), keeping all the money you make from it, giving nothing back to the people who wrote the software."

Due to the thread breakage, I'm not sure if you imply that this is a bad thing. To me, it's using the license exactly as it is intended, and therefore completely OK...

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Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

"Due to the thread breakage, I'm not sure if you imply that this is a bad thing. To me, it's using the license exactly as it is intended, and therefore completely OK..."

I was trying to say that it does not matter in this case which of the two licenses are employed, as such is irrelevant to the issue of the project needing more money. BSDL or GPL, the real problem is going to remain. GPLing OpenBSD isn't going to make Theo's electrical bills any smaller, nor will it make Sun or whoever else feel obligated to give OpenBSD more funds.

License here is irrelevant. Managing what money they do have, or finding out a way to bring in more is what's important.

/RE[2]:

I like OpenBSD, tho it is not my primary system. I am fairly neutral when it comes to TdR. I'd like very much for their work to continue.

It's been said that the OpenBSD Hackathons have been wildly productive affairs. Personally, I can't see why you can't just have all the devs using VOIP and supplying their own beer and avoiding the costs of travel altogether, but that's just me.

Google ads on the OpenBSD site, could be another minor option to help increase income. Retiring some of the more ancient and power hungry machines in his basement and move the continuing development of the more uncommon architectures on virtual harware and so on.

Sure, none of my suggestions are perfect, and some of them would have drawbacks, but for the time being it seems that they can't continue as they have and still be productive.

EDIT: can -> can't

Edited 2006-03-29 10:34

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sithgunner Member since:
2006-02-16

> Different licenses, same result.

You mean, the world only has gpl/bsd or mozilla licenses?

How about write something that fits your need?
Even the donation itself can probably hire some lawyer to get some draft up, especially if he likes working on open source for a cheaper fee.

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