Microsoft's Windows Vista will run on just about any PC available today, but it will only show its true colors on about half of them, according to a new report from Gartner. While Microsoft is currently suggesting a minimum of 512MB, the new OS will require at least 1GB of dual-channel memory to provide its full capabilities, Gartner said in the report. However, all recent discrete solutions from major graphics makers such as ATI and Nvidia, for both desktops and notebooks, are expected to be able to support Aero, Gartner said in the report. My take: After toying with Vista myself, it becomes quite clear what you need to run Aero glass: 512 MB of fast RAM, and a DirectX9 compatible videocard with 128MB RAM. I also found that even non-DirectX9 videocards can run Aero Glass comfortably.
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Member since:2005-07-02
No distro ships with Xgl.
Kororaa does. It's in the Dapper Drake repository, and the next Novell desktop will surely ship with it. More importantly, it's available right now.
It ain't ready for prime time.
Sure it is. Your bias is showing.
Driver support is ridiculously limited, cumbersome, and buggy.
Irrelevant, as it is constantly improving. You said "Linux can't do this", but the truth is that it can.
When Linux can do any of that stuff out of the box, let me know.
When Vista is commerically available, let me know.
No Linux distro is offering a comprehensive, bundled solution. Asking customeres to download one is just plain naively silly.
That's your opinion, and one that is tainted by one of the biggest anti-Linux, pro-Microsoft bias I've seen on this site.
RE[5]: Where do you draw the line?
Member since:2006-03-17
Hey archiesteel,
And I thought I was getting personal for no reason. Hmm do you smell troll-funk too? Those that can't handle Linux are bound to hate it, and those that give up on it - probably should. Its an OS that takes time, patience, and -yes- intelligence to learn and use effectively. For those that just want an 'all-in-one' ready package they can just stick in the CD drive, Linux may never be able to compensate for that kind of uneducated user. Why bother either? Do we want that type of person in the Linux community? I know I don't. Gawd forbid someone suggests that you recompile your kernel - that's just silly, right? I forgot that customization only means 'clicking a check-box', and not actually learning something new. Aren't we just silly?
Member since:2006-04-08
No distro ships with Xgl.
Kororaa does. It's in the Dapper Drake repository, and the next Novell desktop will surely ship with it. More importantly, it's available right now.
Well, Kororaa has a version number of 0.2 and Dapper is also not out yet. And Xgl does not "ship with Dapper", it's just in the repositories. Did you try to install it? I did just recently. It worked, but not very good, and it's still very experimental.
It ain't ready for prime time.
Sure it is. Your bias is showing.
I don't think so. It is not ready for the average user. It crashes a lot for many people, most people don't even manage to configure it (and don't say it's just apt-get install xgl. it isn't), there are some graphic errors with some cards and videos and games don't run smoothly or at all for at least ATI users.
Driver support is ridiculously limited, cumbersome, and buggy.
Irrelevant, as it is constantly improving. You said "Linux can't do this", but the truth is that it can.
I would not call it "ridiculously limited", but it is limited to Intel, ATI and Nvidia chipsets. And it's not irrelevant. That somewhen in the far future Linux will have astonishing 3D-accelerated graphics is easy to guess. But if you compete with Vista, which will probably ship early 2007, you need to have a product that works by early 2007, and not at some unknown time when the driver developers had enough free time to write the code.
When Linux can do any of that stuff out of the box, let me know.
When Vista is commerically available, let me know.
Both are not available to the average user. But when Vista ships in 2007 and you still need to have several years of Linux knowledge to activate Xgl and then have it crash once or twice every day, it's just not the same.
No Linux distro is offering a comprehensive, bundled solution. Asking customeres to download one is just plain naively silly.
That's your opinion, and one that is tainted by one of the biggest anti-Linux, pro-Microsoft bias I've seen on this site.
You are a bit harsh. Do you really expect your Mom to read 2 hours in the dapper forum to find which packets she needs to apt-get and then spend some more hours figuring out what to put in which config file to circumvent some driver bugs? You and me can do that, but if you ship a product and say "oh it has a zillion great features, but to really use them, you have to spend a week downloading and configuring if you are an IT professional, don't even try if you aren't" you won't sell.
I don't use Windows at all and have not used it for years. I wont't use Vista. I use Ubuntu and I did install Xgl, but there is a big difference between having these effects "just working" (like in OS X or probably in Vista) or having a buggy, hack-like implementation that says "EXPERIMENTAL" written all over it.
Member since:2005-09-30
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No distro ships with Xgl. It ain't ready for prime time. Driver support is ridiculously limited, cumbersome, and buggy.
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What post stated above.
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When Linux can do any of that stuff out of the box, let me know.
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I invite you to my house to see then.
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No Linux distro is offering a comprehensive, bundled solution. Asking customeres to download one is just plain naively silly.
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$apt-get install gdesklets
for example.
I guess I'll be shown wrong though, when Vista is released......maybe January next year?
We'll see how much further along all of these *nix based technologies come along by then.
Don't talk about lack of driver support - when Vista isn't released yet. We'll see what my Direct X 9 capable card can do in *nix with Xgl versus Windows then.
RE[5]: Where do you draw the line?
Member since:
2006-01-06
Read the article about Xgl and composting - which is available today.
Read about what X.org is doing to improve X.
No distro ships with Xgl. It ain't ready for prime time. Driver support is ridiculously limited, cumbersome, and buggy.
All I see with respect to Aero (from the screen shots I've looked at through here) is transluncent windows, some 3D window composting and a butt fugly looking interface that I probably won't be able to configure well unless I shell out more $$ for something like window blinds.
When Linux can do any of that stuff out of the box, let me know.
Desktop applets? Dashboard, gdesklets and SuperKaramba do this (and have been)
No Linux distro is offering a comprehensive, bundled solution. Asking customeres to download one is just plain naively silly.