Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 12th Apr 2006 00:27 UTC
BSD and Darwin derivatives Gentoo/FreeBSD is a Unix-like operating system developed by Gentoo Linux developers in order to bring Gentoo Linux design principles such as Portage to the FreeBSD operating system. Gentoo/FreeBSD is part of the larger Gentoo/BSD project. Read the interview here.
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RE[3]: Wait...
by Ronald Vos on Wed 12th Apr 2006 13:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wait..."
Ronald Vos
Member since:
2005-07-06

I use PcBSD as an example. If you are too daft to read the documentation and then figure out how to use the base installer to get a system up and running, frankly you have no business in FreeBSD. Go use Fedora, ubuntu, Suse, or something else designed in such a way that new people are welcomed and can easily learn.

So you want people to feel unwelcome unless they're willing to read a swathe of documentation first? You want FreeBSD to have less users, and thus less developpers? And finally, you want FreeBSD to be less usable unless you can memorise cryptic commands?

That explains a lot.

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RE[4]: Wait...
by kamper on Wed 12th Apr 2006 14:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Wait..."
kamper Member since:
2005-08-20

So you want people to feel unwelcome unless they're willing to read a swathe of documentation first?

You're clouding the issue in a huge way here. If the alternative to reading a 'swathe' of documentation is asking a 'swathe' of questions that were answered yesterday and every day for the past however long, then yes, there is a problem.

Poor documentation is one of the most annoying things about an operating system so when maintainers actually go to the trouble of writing good docs, they damn well want people to use them. Of course, people can't be expected to understand that instantly, but explaining it is often much more productive in the long run than continuing to treat everyone with kid-gloves. Seeing people get flamed (and occasionally getting flamed myself) is what made me realize how much more efficient reading documentation can be, both for me and for the people that already know the answers.

I think that most of the people that you find 'mean' actually turn out to be quite pleasant and welcoming if you take the effort to do a few things to make their day a bit easier.

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RE[5]: Wait...
by Ronald Vos on Wed 12th Apr 2006 17:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Wait..."
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

"So you want people to feel unwelcome unless they're willing to read a swathe of documentation first?"

You're clouding the issue in a huge way here. If the alternative to reading a 'swathe' of documentation is asking a 'swathe' of questions that were answered yesterday and every day for the past however long, then yes, there is a problem.


Actually, I was responding to GF's assertion that PCBSD was a dumb idea because people who can't install FreeBSD using the existing tools have no place using a BSD in the first place.

I'm not positioning 'ask swathe of questions' as preferable above 'read swathe of documentation', it's the 'easy-to-use install tools that take the work out of the user's hands, not requiring advanced systems-administration knowledge' I'm preferring.

I'm currently in the process of reading the DFlyBSD book, which is basically the FreeBSD book with minor edits. Assuming the FreeBSD install proces is comparable to the DFlyBSD install process, I've come to the decision that regular BSD maintenance/installing is not for me. However, I AM interested in a stable, reliable and mature FOSS OS with a plentyufull amount of usefull software, that's not Linux. In other words: PCBSD. The original poster would apparently rather have me continue using Windows.

PS: what's currently holding me back is uncertainty about wether/how I can use my wireless USB dongle under PCBSD; I can't find the answer on the PCBSD site..

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