Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Apr 2006 12:02 UTC, submitted by SilentBob4
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu MadPenguin takes a look at Flight 5 of Ubuntu Dapper, and concludes: "All in all, Ubuntu 6.06 is gearing up to be quite an impressive release. Granted, I saw some bugs during my stay on the distribution, but can I really complain? It's not a full release, so it deserves some breathing room. Considering some of the horribly authored software I've looked at over the years, I feel that Ubuntu in pre-release form is more stable than other distros when they reach final release status. It's not quite in the league of Slackware and Red Hat/Fedora in that respect yet, but it's surely getting there in a hurry."
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RE[2]: one gripe : one cd
by Tom Janowitz on Mon 17th Apr 2006 16:35 UTC in reply to "RE: one gripe : one cd"
Tom Janowitz
Member since:
2005-12-05

I could download it with my broadband and then install it on my friends computers really fast instead of relying on a internet connection of dubious quality. In my country most popular internet access is not easy configurable in linux (Ubuntu included) and therefore you can not rely on it during install and it requires internet access to know how other people sorted things out. But without it you can't finish install process. Chicken and egg. If everything would be on CD's (DVD ?) at least full install would be performed.


>"most of the programs"

mplayer ? # sorry - I live in Europe - it should be somehow included...
beep-media-player # univers - xmms has really ugly right-click menu, definitely not something I would like show off with ?
unrar # it's not that unpopular, is it ?
oggz-tolls # if there is this awesome free codec - why not use it ?
wine # supposed to be bridge between Windows and Linux, so why hide it ?
gnuplot # not only sci-pro use this one
gqview # my choice over gthumb
gdesklets # not only eye-candy
leafpad # real replacement for notepad
mpg321 # no comment

And why on earth user which is just starting he's advenutre with linux should be forced to choose DE (which he probably has no clue what it is whatsoever), when he is already forced to choose a distribution (and operating system prior to that). Linux is supposed to be about choice - why not give people that choice and make just this tiny little step further (which is a distance aproximately the same as between Ubuntu & Uberbuntu) and include kde (very popular) and xfce (beautifull & slick & fast DE I must say) in main repos ? When this is accomplished I will say that Linux is ready ... you know for what ;)


>"while they all do the same"

If top does everything what gnome-system-monitor does and more - should i ditch the latter ? I prefer to use both - whatever suits me best under particular circumstances.

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RE[3]: one gripe : one cd
by thebluesgnr on Mon 17th Apr 2006 17:26 in reply to "RE[2]: one gripe : one cd"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

mplayer ? # sorry - I live in Europe - it should be somehow included...

I don't know where you live in Europe but codecs from Windows is not exactly the same as Free codecs for patented formats. Ubuntu would be in trouble distributing the binaries from Microsoft.

And why on earth user which is just starting he's advenutre with linux should be forced to choose DE

That's precisely why Ubuntu is a GNOME-based distribution where the user makes absolutely no choice of DE at all.

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RE[4]: one gripe : one cd
by Tom Janowitz on Mon 17th Apr 2006 18:09 in reply to "RE[3]: one gripe : one cd"
Tom Janowitz Member since:
2005-12-05

Choosing Ubuntu implies choosing DE (gnome) _before_acutal_installation_ , apart of course of Kubuntu (not that polished) and Xubuntu (no cd's yet). If those DE's were in main repos (and on cd's/dvd) then the choice could have been made easily later. If there is no choice in regard to DE - how user will get to know other DE's (instead of common jumping from one distro to another) ? Of course one can 'sudo apt-get kde-desktop' (+removing gnome?), but the installation process of a whole DE isn't confined to this simple command and I would rather make it once at the beginning than to let (yet) inexperienced users to have it done (screwed?) by themelves. Is it really that much to ask for a dvd filled with goodies (which already exist) ?

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RE[3]: one gripe : one cd
by h-milch-mann on Mon 17th Apr 2006 21:57 in reply to "RE[2]: one gripe : one cd"
h-milch-mann Member since:
2005-10-27

You can download Ubuntu as a DVD iso. There is a secret, hidden site only known to insiders called google that would've told you within seconds.

>mplayer ? # sorry - I live in Europe - it should be somehow included...
Totally nonsense. What has the inclusion of mplayer to do with you living in Europe? The propietary codecs cannot be distributed with Ubuntu, but not mplayer. Please get at least a small clue. Remember that webpage I recommended to you before?

>Linux is supposed to be about choice - why not give people that choice and make just this tiny little step further.
You can
- download the DVD.
- download Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Whateverxubuntu
- download a completely different distribution.
This is what is meant with "having the choice" and not every distro out there must follow "the everything on cds and you have hundres of packages to choose from on installation" paradigm. There are already enough of those distros out there.

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RE[4]: one gripe : one cd
by Tom Janowitz on Mon 17th Apr 2006 23:08 in reply to "RE[3]: one gripe : one cd"
Tom Janowitz Member since:
2005-12-05

The DVD iso "secret hidden" .. whatever - is live/install version combined. I have no knowledge that it incorporates some additional pacakages... do you ?


The propietary codecs cannot be distributed with Ubuntu, but not mplayer. Please get at least a small clue.

I was talking about having it on an install cd's/dvd, not about ditributing it at all. AFAIK there are some restrictions pertaining mplayer infringment of patent law in US ... so I guess it is a problem - be it player or codecs for it.


You can
- download the DVD.
- download Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Whateverxubuntu
- download a completely different distribution.
This is what is meant with "having the choice" and not every distro out there must follow "the everything on cds and you have hundres of packages to choose from on installation" paradigm. There are already enough of those distros out there.


I guess not enough for me. And certainly not for totally new to linux users to whom this model should be most appealing - remember that I can get over it easily, but can they ? This kind of isntall model isn't definitely win the crown of desktop for linux. Why is it that you have to do in a basic install process 'sudo apt-get something' than another sh#% like this and another .... why can't I just pick programs that I need and be gone with this (maybe even with a list of progs remembered in a file resembling kickstart functionality?). It's total bullshit to go this far with regards to user friendly install and stop here. New users won't know what 'sudo' , 'root' , 'apt-get' is, and they certainly will cringe away from command-line (at least at the beginning). Why not provide them with easy instant install without resorting to obligatory broadband internet connection when it's certainly not necessary ? - and this means (for me) more packages on isntall_cd's /dvd.

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