Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Apr 2006 12:02 UTC, submitted by SilentBob4
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu MadPenguin takes a look at Flight 5 of Ubuntu Dapper, and concludes: "All in all, Ubuntu 6.06 is gearing up to be quite an impressive release. Granted, I saw some bugs during my stay on the distribution, but can I really complain? It's not a full release, so it deserves some breathing room. Considering some of the horribly authored software I've looked at over the years, I feel that Ubuntu in pre-release form is more stable than other distros when they reach final release status. It's not quite in the league of Slackware and Red Hat/Fedora in that respect yet, but it's surely getting there in a hurry."
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RE[4]: With a price
by somebody on Mon 17th Apr 2006 21:22 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: With a price"
somebody
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2005-07-07

It's ok to compare features to see what you like better (very subjective by nature).

I wasn't comparing which I like better. My comparisson was based on comparing USABLE/UNUSABLE for serious use.

Most of the functions I was bashing are completely unusable from the point of serious use. Might suffice for non-serious user, maybe, but not for serious one.

Either that or you're just saying that Mail.app is serious mailing application and Terminal.app with all his deficiencies is best terminal ever:) It is not getting there even remotely. Even thunderbird is not there yet. Probably the only serious mail apps are Outlook and Evolution.

But at the same time, if you like choice and freedom, you are not in OSX's target audience, and if you prefer highly integrated specific hardware with your software, you aren't in Ubuntu's target audience either.

I like choice and freedom, but I also prefer highly integrated specific hardware with my software. So... after buying a 100% supported machine I have a lot less trouble with my Opterons (bought after following HCL and except two liner for NVidia, worked out of the base install) than with my only G5 in case of software being integrated with hardware. And why is too integrated with hardware bad? Read next:)

This time all my bought software will go down the drain when I'll be updating G5. Since (or better IF, and I doubt that more and more) I'll be updating to Intel next year sometimes I doubt that even one software will make a crossgrade or upgrade even remotely possible. Talk about tight integration, too tight for my opinion or better said too expensive. It is probably cheaper to drop my Mac supporting needs and focus on Windows/*X only (OSX is not *X in my viewpoint, so take this as my personal opinion which is valid as expressed for me only), and it simplifies my coding since I don't need to test and adapt on OSX anymore. I would maybe suffer if I would be dropping Windows support, but dropping OSX I probably won't even notice except having a lot more time for other things.

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RE[5]: With a price
by rattaro on Mon 17th Apr 2006 22:35 in reply to "RE[4]: With a price"
rattaro Member since:
2005-08-22

>Either that or you're just saying that Mail.app is serious mailing application and Terminal.app with all his deficiencies is best terminal ever:)

Not at all. I'm just saying that for people who don't need any bells and whistles, and ONLY use Apple products, it's probably just fine for them.

>And why is too integrated with hardware bad?

It's not, and I wasn't implying that it was. But with Apple, ANY Apple peripheral will work with OSX. Any peripheral in existence will not work with Ubuntu. "Too integrated" means less choice, but probably better stability, and better drivers. Do you want less choice with great drivers, or more choice with possibly inferior peripheral drivers? How you answer this is probably what you will pick as your computer system if there was a choice between OSX and Ubuntu. In any case, I think we went way off topic long ago. Sorry.

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RE[6]: With a price
by somebody on Tue 18th Apr 2006 16:09 in reply to "RE[5]: With a price"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

>And why is too integrated with hardware bad?

This part was a rhetorical question, not question requesting answer.

It was even followed with Read next:)

And the rest of your answer on it was complete bull anyway. I was talking how software I bought is too intgrated with my G5, and PPC Macs won't exist anymore. So all money I gave out for those pieces of software will go down the drain if I would move on new comp.

Point of my comment was.
Vendor that has everything tightly integrated can't even decide on which CPU arch they will tightly integrate. Talk about irony.

Do you want less choice with great drivers, or more choice with possibly inferior peripheral drivers?

I don't have the slightest trouble with drivers on any machine. As I said, HCL is a rule.

And you're sure that Apple NVidia drivers are better than the ones on Linux? Or that my optical fiber card would be better supported under OSX? Or printer (Apple uses cups just as linux, beside the really stupid and unintuitive config tool on OSX they provide)? A lot of hardware is not Apple based so how could that HW be tightly integrated?

How can one even say that some drivers are better than other? Are you really sure that company wrote better drivers than others. For example I don't use fglrx on my notebook, XOrg is better on performance and system integration with my card so I use XOrg one.

How you answer this is probably what you will pick as your computer system if there was a choice between OSX and Ubuntu

I would follow my first OSs (Linux) HCL and try to find the best match for the second at the same time. I do this for my machine that doubleboots Windows-Linux already. Isn't this just logical approach? And your question stupid?

I think we went way off topic long ago. Sorry.

And you went even further with completely missing my point. You went off topic when we were already off topic.

And for the end. Why do you ask stupid questions?

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