Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Apr 2006 21:17 UTC, submitted by Benedikt Meurer
Xfce The Xfce project has released the first beta in the 4.4 release cycle. "Xfce 4.4 beta1 (4.3.90.1) is now available for download. Xfce 4.4 features new tools such as the much anticipated 'Thunar' file manager as well as several huge improvements of its core components."
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Xfmedia
by irbis on Mon 17th Apr 2006 22:28 UTC
irbis
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2005-07-08

I hope that XFce will keep and continue its nononsense approach and goals of simplicity, lightweightness and effectiveness. However, there may still be quite much to do if(?) XFce would want to become as easy to use a desktop also for non-experienced users like what KDE and GNOME have achieved.

One tool of Xfce4 that I like quite much, and find it promising, is its simple mediaplayer Xfmedia. Why, you may ask - aren't there several much more capable media players out there? Maybe so, but I just HATE all those themeable and skinnable mediaplayers with horrible usability, non standard GUIs, unusable default skins, unclear and too small buttons etc. A very "good" example: XMMS... Why the heck should anybody need to find/make a custom skin in order to make his media player look like the rest of the desktop?

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RE: Xfmedia
by berzerko on Tue 18th Apr 2006 01:34 in reply to "Xfmedia"
berzerko Member since:
2005-11-11

i dont think XMMS is supposed to "fit in" with a desktop. it was designed after Winamp and one of the main features is that its fully skinnable. this was around the time before KDE and GNOME got big so everybody was using plain windowmanagers. integration wasnt as big a deal.

Thats why now KDE and GNOME have their own integrated media players. because for a long time xmms was THE media player for linux(imho), but then the issue of integration became more important as the Desktop environments matured. Xfmedia is just now following the lead of kde and gnome.

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RE: Xfmedia
by Soulbender on Tue 18th Apr 2006 05:35 in reply to "Xfmedia"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"However, there may still be quite much to do if(?) XFce would want to become as easy to use a desktop also for non-experienced users like what KDE and GNOME have achieved."

That's not necessarily a goal for XFCE.

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RE: Xfmedia
by aquila_deus on Tue 18th Apr 2006 17:10 in reply to "Xfmedia"
aquila_deus Member since:
2005-10-02

Talking about the stardand GUIs: The widgets xfce created and used by itself is a big pain in ass - you can't even leave a dialog box with ESC or click ok by ENTER where there isn't any other button!

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RE[2]: Xfmedia
by irbis on Tue 18th Apr 2006 17:30 in reply to "RE: Xfmedia"
irbis Member since:
2005-07-08

"The widgets xfce created and used by itself is a big pain in ass"

Maybe so, I dunno? But my point was that at least Xfmedia uses a relatively clear and clean interface, and not some all black and messy default skin of XMMS where you cannot even tell the buttons from the background... Cheesh, haven't the designers of such default GUIs/skins never heard anything about usability??

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