Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Apr 2006 12:02 UTC, submitted by SilentBob4
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu MadPenguin takes a look at Flight 5 of Ubuntu Dapper, and concludes: "All in all, Ubuntu 6.06 is gearing up to be quite an impressive release. Granted, I saw some bugs during my stay on the distribution, but can I really complain? It's not a full release, so it deserves some breathing room. Considering some of the horribly authored software I've looked at over the years, I feel that Ubuntu in pre-release form is more stable than other distros when they reach final release status. It's not quite in the league of Slackware and Red Hat/Fedora in that respect yet, but it's surely getting there in a hurry."
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RE[4]: one gripe : one cd
by Tom Janowitz on Mon 17th Apr 2006 23:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: one gripe : one cd"
Tom Janowitz
Member since:
2005-12-05

The DVD iso "secret hidden" .. whatever - is live/install version combined. I have no knowledge that it incorporates some additional pacakages... do you ?


The propietary codecs cannot be distributed with Ubuntu, but not mplayer. Please get at least a small clue.

I was talking about having it on an install cd's/dvd, not about ditributing it at all. AFAIK there are some restrictions pertaining mplayer infringment of patent law in US ... so I guess it is a problem - be it player or codecs for it.


You can
- download the DVD.
- download Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Whateverxubuntu
- download a completely different distribution.
This is what is meant with "having the choice" and not every distro out there must follow "the everything on cds and you have hundres of packages to choose from on installation" paradigm. There are already enough of those distros out there.


I guess not enough for me. And certainly not for totally new to linux users to whom this model should be most appealing - remember that I can get over it easily, but can they ? This kind of isntall model isn't definitely win the crown of desktop for linux. Why is it that you have to do in a basic install process 'sudo apt-get something' than another sh#% like this and another .... why can't I just pick programs that I need and be gone with this (maybe even with a list of progs remembered in a file resembling kickstart functionality?). It's total bullshit to go this far with regards to user friendly install and stop here. New users won't know what 'sudo' , 'root' , 'apt-get' is, and they certainly will cringe away from command-line (at least at the beginning). Why not provide them with easy instant install without resorting to obligatory broadband internet connection when it's certainly not necessary ? - and this means (for me) more packages on isntall_cd's /dvd.

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RE[5]: one gripe : one cd
by Nathan on Mon 17th Apr 2006 23:40 in reply to "RE[4]: one gripe : one cd"
Nathan Member since:
2006-01-10

"why can't I just pick programs that I need and be gone with this"

That's what other distributions do, and frankly, if Ubuntu did that I never would have stopped using Windows.

Ubuntu to me is very much a "best of Linux" - while you may not agree with their selections, that is clearly their intention. You get Gnome, Firefox, OpenOffice, Evolution. Open source has dozens of choices for every type of application: Ubuntu just installs one of each that is likely to be useful to me.

Before I switched to linux, I did not know anything about KDE vs Gnome, Evolution vs Thunderbird, OOo vs Abiword/GNumeric/etc . Canonical made the choice of software for me, and I for one was glad they did. The last thing I needed when switching to an entirely new operating system was to worry about figuring out what applications I needed to be productive.

Edited 2006-04-17 23:42

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RE[6]: one gripe : one cd
by Tom Janowitz on Tue 18th Apr 2006 00:29 in reply to "RE[5]: one gripe : one cd"
Tom Janowitz Member since:
2005-12-05

I understand your point (and partly second it), but... Ubuntu base install approach is rather minimalistic, which for a distro that aim's to be mainstream (not only for geeks) is queer to say the least. Shouldn't it try to please as many souls as possible ?
If their intention is to make me not to agree with their selection then ok. but they assume that people have this perfect internet connection (again - I have), which often is simply not the case and this is far from ok. One shot in grain : windows doesn't require me to access internet to complete install (not only becouse I am not installing it).


The last thing I needed when switching to an entirely new operating system was to worry about figuring out what applications I needed to be productive.

Why not install them all ? Storage space is dirt-cheap. This doesn't mean that all those app's should be exposed in main menu, ordinary 'debian' submenu would be all"...just fine. And it's much better approach for discoverability of those apps., which are currently not part of base install. The only thing user should choose is ->default<- DE, web browser, mail client. Of course 'single app for a task' is probably better approach for corporate/office customers (which is one of Ubuntu main targets). I guess we'll have to wait for the one distro "to rule them all".

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