Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Apr 2006 21:17 UTC, submitted by Benedikt Meurer
Xfce The Xfce project has released the first beta in the 4.4 release cycle. "Xfce 4.4 beta1 ( is now available for download. Xfce 4.4 features new tools such as the much anticipated 'Thunar' file manager as well as several huge improvements of its core components."
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RE[3]: I'm sorry but...
by negativity on Tue 18th Apr 2006 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I'm sorry but..."
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"But does it support device icons management ? What does feel great now ?"

I believe that a good desktop distro can put together an user friendly Xfce, which device drivers. Just need some script to do that I think. Once they have a good one maybe the Xfce developers could incorporate it in their code.

"The XFCE file manager was full of bugs making some XFCE app annoying at times. Also, sessions were implemented late, and in the current stable, have design bugs."

Well, I never really used Xfce before the 4.3 versions. But I have been using it for several months and I use Thunar/Terminal for file management since then. Thunar is turning out really nice. I love it.

"Like the session being dependant on the virtual terminal you launch your desktop on, for the same user."

I don't know about this, sorry.

"They have implemented a terminal ? Because in the stable version I use, Terminal is just a redecoration of one terminal implementation on the system.
At home, it is a redeceoration of xterm. And I have no problem switching between xterm and gnome-terminal (this was not true before Gnome 2.14). "

They have a new Terminal as well. It's now the default one. I have been using it and it supports tabs just fine, also it's plenty configurable.

"I'm sure to try Thunar when XFCE 4.4 is out, but from what I've seen during Gnome development, where they talked about Thunar, there is not much to see."

Thunar is humbly trying to solve one problem at a time. The Xfce family of tools try to be lightweight in implementation; for example, they don't want to depend on all the Gnome libraries.

"That's true. But now it shows. Gnome has closed the gaps in the few areas where XFCE had the lead."

I appreciate the work of the Gnome folks. But nowadays when I install Ubuntu I just can't stand Gnome when I compare it to Xfce 4.4. For starters, I hate the two panels of Gnome. It's even worse with two monitors, because then I have four panels in Gnome, and I have to drag the mouse up and down trying to click on things. With Xfce I just have 1 panel per monitor, and they are fully functional just as if I had the Gnome panels.

"It was not. But some people love flame wars. Actually, it was easier to install then, than it is now. "

If you say so.

"He's far from being a reference ..."

We just aren't perfect, are we? :-)

"You seem to imply that XFCE 4.4 is at the same level as Gnome/KDE. I have high doubts about that, but I'll know soon enough.
I have high doubts, because Gnome has a lot of framework on which Gnome apps rely, that are not available in XFCE. "

That's relevant, indeed. But I could never stand KDE, and after Xfce 4.4, I just can't stand Gnome. Maybe more people will appreciate Xfce 4.4, just like me. Let's give them some opportunity. Let's improve Xfce even more as well.

"But lightweight Linux desktops are not what is selling, so I doubt major distro will put it as their main desktop. "

I agree. KDE is fun. Gnome is work. Xfce is joy.

"XFCE is lightweight with few dependancies, it takes less than an hour to compile on my PC while the other DE need 10+ hours, that's why that's the sole DE I put on my Live CD. It also can run with a little memory."

Big plus for Xfce. When people have fast round trips of edit/compile/test, they can develop faster as well. Xfce wins big time in this regard.

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