Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 31st Jul 2005 11:45 UTC, submitted by GhePeU
Gnome GNOME 2.12 will be released to the world on September 7th, 2005, culminating 6 months of very exciting work by members of the project. A number of exciting technologies come together in GNOME 2.12 that will set the standard for free software desktops to come. Here is a sample of some of the outstanding work that has gone into GNOME thanks to its many contributors.
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RE[5]: Evince is awesome
by on Sun 31st Jul 2005 16:09 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Evince is awesome"

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> What about the term fork do you not understand? A
> fork would be kind of pointless if it wasn't better.
> I have a version of XPDF sitting right here, and
> "glacially slow" is absolutely the right term. And
> that's on a dual-core Athlon64!

How can the forked XPDF aka Poppler be faster when it has CAIRO tied to it ? CAIRO is known to be dead slow, so the resulting output through Poppler automagically MUST be slower than through XPDF. Only exception would be if there was some code magic and some code refactoring that makes the code work faster.

> As I said, I haven't tried the new version of KPDF
> that everyone's raving about. However, Evince is much
> faster than the old versions.

But you are the person who shouted out first that EVINCE is faster than anything else, faster than Acro, XPDF and KPDF. So before throwing such arguments into the room, you should have made clear that this "non measured" experiences came from older applications.

> I haven't encountered this problem. I'm using the
> version in Fedora Core 4, btw.

> We don't have A4 paper here in the US, so that's
> probably why I haven't noticed it. Again, I couldn't
> care less, since it works for me.

You do care anyways, specially if you want to print 4 pages on 1 physical sheet and realize that it doesn't work, this is independant to paper size.

You also do care if you have a PDF file that has 20 or more pages and you figure out in the middle that after some pages the pages show up white only. Even this is independant to paper size.

Have you actually used or tested Evince with more than reading the one or other PDF file ? Or do you keep saying things about programs that don't reflect reality.

Now let's measure some values, you say that KPDF and XPDF are slower than EVINCE while all three apps are based on the same code and probably all three seem to inherit the latest changes from either XPDF, Poppler to be current and knowing that Poppler even has CAIRO tied to it. So how about some serious profiling and giving us some numbered values ?

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RE[6]: Evince is awesome
by rayiner on Sun 31st Jul 2005 16:54 in reply to "RE[5]: Evince is awesome"
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2005-07-06

How can the forked XPDF aka Poppler be faster when it has CAIRO tied to it ?

I don't know, but it is!

CAIRO is known to be dead slow

I don't think you can say that. Enough benchmarks haven't been conducted to say that.

But you are the person who shouted out first that EVINCE is faster than anything else, faster than Acro, XPDF and KPDF. So before throwing such arguments into the room, you should have made clear that this "non measured" experiences came from older applications.

I used the latest versions of XPDF (which came out a year and a half ago!) and the latest version of Acroread. I didn't use the latest version of KPDF, but I pointed that out in my original post!

You do care anyways, specially if you want to print 4 pages on 1 physical sheet and realize that it doesn't work, this is independant to paper size.

I don't have a printer ;) There is a central postscript setup here that rasterizes the file on their end.

You also do care if you have a PDF file that has 20 or more pages and you figure out in the middle that after some pages the pages show up white only.

Again, I have never seen this "white only" problem show up. What version of Evince are you using anyway?

Have you actually used or tested Evince with more than reading the one or other PDF file ?

I use Evince all the time. It's great, especially for PDFs that contain hand-written notes, which render really slowly in XPDF.

inherit the latest changes from either XPDF, Poppler to be current and knowing that Poppler even has CAIRO tied to it.

The last version of XPDF was 3.0, released on Jan 2004. I'd assume that both KPDF and Poppler have diverged quite significantly since then.

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RE[7]: Evince is awesome
by Lumbergh on Sun 31st Jul 2005 20:52 in reply to "RE[6]: Evince is awesome"
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2005-06-29

CAIRO is known to be dead slow

I don't think you can say that. Enough benchmarks haven't been conducted to say that.


Rayiner, this isn't some big secret that Cairo via software rendering has some major optimization work to go to be usable.

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RE[7]: Evince is awesome
by ma_d on Mon 1st Aug 2005 01:36 in reply to "RE[6]: Evince is awesome"
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2005-06-29

Ya know, I'm sure if Gnome wants to include Evince in their next version (in what, October?) that Evince is likely in the final stages of development. What I mean is that while it runs perfectly stable for Rayiner who probably has built it with the right library versions it may run horridly for someone with a sub-point off version of some off library because the developers haven't done much major testing yet.
That or I almost wonder if he's got a compositor that's stopping evince's updates from coming through consistently.

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RE[7]: Evince is awesome
by on Mon 1st Aug 2005 16:19 in reply to "RE[6]: Evince is awesome"
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Cairo is not fast in software render mode, but with hardware render enabled, it IS much faster. Have fun!

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