Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Apr 2006 14:05 UTC, submitted by CrimsonScythe
Apple The 17" MacBook Pro has just been released. The 17" model has Firewire 800 and 8x dual layer Superdrive, both of which the 15.4" version lacks. The new MacBook Pro was presented during the NAB2006. The machine will cost $2799,- in the US, or round and about EUR 2879,- (differs per country) in the EU, or GBP 1999,- if you live in the UK.
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RE[6]: What A Joke
by Moulinneuf on Tue 25th Apr 2006 01:02 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: What A Joke"
Moulinneuf
Member since:
2005-07-06

"From Dell's web-page. The E1705 is 1.6" thick. The Macbook Pro is 1.0" thick. Hence the Dell is 60% thicker, right? "

If you whant to categorize it as 60% thicker that way , I prefer the total space volume. The Mac Book pro is bit larger but slimer in height if thats not changed.

"However, the machine that Apple puts them in is quite a bit different in form factor and thus in price."

Its whats inside + software and service that make it at that price. The form could account for a small part of it but not the 900$ difference.

"I bought a fairly ... myself again. "

Personnal preference and older machine , I also pointed those other machine as a reference that the Dual core is not the reason why they ( macbook pro ) are pricier also that the XPS is not the only one to get them.

"While Dell's ... as much as my Inspiron did. "

8200 whas made in 2002 ,

http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/notebooks?c=c...

you see any model that look like any you owned previously ? No thats because they improved there casing so did the Apple one too.

"There is a ... leaves marks on the screen. "

I dont think the Dell people had that kind of test in mind when they designed there laptop.

"Not because I say so, but because comparing the prices of completely different products doesn't give insight into anything."

Comparing parts , intel core duo is going to be the same across the board.

"A Cessna costs a lot less than an F22 Raptor --- what insight does that knowledge afford you?"

I can buy more cesna with a hell lot less money ...

"Regarding the links to the machines: did you even try to configure them equally? "

Apple dont have the part Dell do , and Dell dont offer the parts Apple do , its pointless , please explain to me how I can have a magsafe and webcam in an xps or other Dell model ?

"Bump the processor up to 2.16 GHz, add in Bluetooth, a remote, and a 100GB 7200 RPM hard drive"

I tried adding Mac OS X and mag safe and webcam and bonjour , etc ... but the Dell rep said where not Apple ...

" For almost $600 extra, you get a faster GPU, but a machine that has no integrated camera, and is bigger and heavier to boot. "

Tried to play oblivion or any PC game on that MacBook Pro ?

"Um, did you even try and configure the two machines the same??? "

I am going to wait for the Dell price team to adapt to it first.

"I didn't say otherwise."

That whas my point , that the MacBook pro whas not priced higher vs the HP only because of the core Duo and that Dell had cheaper one if all you wanted was the CPU.

"As for the rest of your post, it hardly makes any sense at all."

Really , It rather prooved that there whas no point in making a comparaison on anything you offered.

"Of course everyone gets Core Duos for roughly the same price"

Hence its not what make the Macbook Pro be priced higher ...

"Of course you can get a cheaper laptop if it has less features, again, what is the point in saying so?"

I was only talking about the Dual core , you where the one to try and put me on the spot , your problem is you dont know all that is in the MacBook pro and you dont know the XPS that well either.

"again, what is the point in saying so?"

It show that the Dual core dont add 900$ to the price of the machine all by itself ... Because hopefully you where not trying to compare a MacBook pro offer as a gaming machine contender that would do well against any XPS offer ...

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RE[7]: What A Joke
by rayiner on Tue 25th Apr 2006 01:22 in reply to "RE[6]: What A Joke"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

If you whant to categorize it as 60% thicker that way , I prefer the total space volume.

This is stupid. What other way is there to categorize thickness than the actual thickness?

Its whats inside + software and service that make it at that price. The form could account for a small part of it but not the 900$ difference.

Even ignoring OS X, the Macbook is comparably priced to other machines in its price class. The 1" form-factor might not add $900 to the materials cost, but it does add a very large amount to the market price, based on what people are willing to pay for machines that thin.

Personnal preference and older machine

Dell's older machines (my XPS D300) are a lot higher quality then their newer ones. And "personal preference" has jack to do with things. Dell uses cheap plastics in their machines, plain and simple.

I dont think the Dell people had that kind of test in mind when they designed there laptop.

What the hell do you mean? You don't think they intended on people closing the lids when they designed the machines?

I can buy more cesna with a hell lot less money ...

And a fleet of 10,000 Cessna's as air superiority fighters does what for you? It's a completely pointless statement.

Tried to play oblivion or any PC game on that MacBook Pro ?

Since the Macs can run Windows...

I am going to wait for the Dell price team to adapt to it first.

What does that even mean?

Really , It rather prooved that there whas no point in making a comparaison on anything you offered.

The machines I used as comparisons are ones similar to the Macbook Pro. When deciding between a Macbook Pro and a Windows machine, these will be the machines in the comparison, not machines like the E1705. The E1705 you linked to was the pointless comparison --- if you're looking for a 1" laptop, you won't want the E1705, and if you're in the market for a $1000 laptop, you're not looking at the Macbook.

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RE[8]: What A Joke
by Moulinneuf on Tue 25th Apr 2006 04:05 in reply to "RE[7]: What A Joke"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Thickness :

"the dimension through an object as opposed to its length or width"

"the Macbook is comparably priced to other machines in its price class. "

No , its better priced. For the moment.

"The 1" form-factor might not ... willing to pay for machines that thin. "

I agree , but how is it related to me saying the MacBook price being higher is not due to the Dual core ? Its not , you keep introducing comparaison and your own points.

"Dell's older machines (my XPS D300) are a lot higher quality then their newer ones."

No , thats your personnal opinion , the materials and build quality and technique is higher today just for starter.

"And "personal preference" has jack to do with things."

Apparently not , you keep making them ...

"Dell uses cheap plastics in their machines, plain and simple. "

Really ? Strange I tought it whas carbon fiber with mixed composite , I guess you must be right and can testify to it in court.

"What the hell do you mean? "<

You said :

"There is a recent macnn thread in which people have posted pictures of themselves standing on their Thinkpads and Macbooks. "

I am 100% sure its not one of the current test that Dell notebook go true.

"You don't think they intended on people closing the lids when they designed the machines? "

You really do introduce a lot of new stuff that you did not discuss on your previous messages. No that I know they have a test for.

"And a fleet of 10,000 Cessna's as air superiority fighters does what for you?"

Air supremacy over 200 F-22 Raptor , they may not show on radar nut they show on heat seeking and visual.

"It's a completely pointless statement."

Really ? or just another subject you dont know that well ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor

Cessna is a level 2 threat , F-22 is level 5 , 10 cessna vs 1 raptor , nah forget it ...

"Since the Macs can run Windows... "

Really interesting comment , because you think that the requirement missing for playing Oblivion is the OS ...

"What does that even mean?"

It means that Dell as a team that pricecheck there hardware to whats currently availaible on the market , thats one of the many reason why they are the #1 oem ... The Apple MacBook Pro 17" just recently came on the market , and Dell as a bigger buying power and control over there hardware supplyer then Apple does.

"The machines I used as comparisons are ones similar to the Macbook Pro. "

You wish ...

"When deciding between a Macbook Pro and a Windows machine, these will be the machines in the comparison"

http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_MacBook_Pro_1_83GHz_Intel_Core_Duo/45...

"The E1705 you linked to was the pointless comparison"

No , but then again you dont know the range of the E1705 just load it up and load comparable components , also I whas not making a comparaison , it just happen I whas pointing out to other Dual core solution from Dell to justify my point.

"if you're looking for a 1" laptop, you won't want the E1705"

Ok ...

"and if you're in the market for a $1000 laptop, you're not looking at the Macbook."

OK ...

But the point is still that The MacBook Pro is not at that price because of the Dual core.

Dont worry you whont get it this time either ....

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