Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Apr 2006 20:29 UTC
Legal Microsoft told a European Union court on Monday that regulators had completely misunderstood thriving competition in the software market in issuing a landmark antitrust ruling against the giant U.S. company. But an internal Microsoft memo presented by a coalition of critical companies suggested founder Bill Gates was told that a strategy used to crush the rival Netscape browser could also take down the leader in streaming media, RealNetworks' RealPlayer.
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RE[2]: So the real news...
by testadura on Tue 25th Apr 2006 14:05 UTC in reply to "RE: So the real news..."
testadura
Member since:
2006-04-14

Which part of the word MONOPOLY don't (some of) you understand?

You keep saying that also linux distro makers and Apple should be prosecuted as well since they also bundle some applications with their OS.
They don't have a monopoly, thats why.

Why in god's name should you defend MS? If there was no such thing as the Mozilla foundation, we were all forced to use IE 6.0... Heck, I bet MS would bundle IE 6.0 with Vista. No competition, no innovation.
Imagine IE 6 being a final release ;)

Edited 2006-04-25 14:18

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RE[3]: So the real news...
by deathshadow on Tue 25th Apr 2006 17:32 in reply to "RE[2]: So the real news..."
deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

>> Why in god's name should you defend MS?

Why in god's name would you want a world where laws do not apply equally? Means should you ever BECOME rich, you're open for prosecution... Dangerous, DANGEROUS talk here people. Does this mean that if Linux or apple gain dominant market share, you want to shoot them down too? When you prosecute someone for doing something everyone else is allowed to get away with - that's as much of a crime as letting an individual get away with it because they are rich, priviliged or 'know the right people'.

We're basically talking the same type of bull here spouted by feminazi's, 'equal rights' protestors, etc. They don't actually WANT equality, they want dominance.

I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I also don't have the rabid hatred that makes people auto-vote down anyone who dares say 'wait a minute' and vote up anyone who attacks them, no matter how nonsensical the post.

"Laws must apply equally, or they mean nothing. Laws that unjustly favor one party or the other are exactly that; unjust." - John Adams.

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RE[4]: So the real news...
by vitae on Tue 25th Apr 2006 18:43 in reply to "RE[3]: So the real news..."
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

Except that there's a pattern here. Gates said to beat RealNetworks. Gates said they had to beat Netscape. Gates said..it goes on an on. If they should dominate every aspect of the software industry all leveraged by their monopoly, that will still be okay? When apps of all types come free with Windows and where no other software company can compete anymore, then drive up the price of Windows dramatically, there would still not be a problem? The idea is to keep it fair before that happens. Microsoft should have been broken in half, one company for the OS and one for software. That would have been better for the consumer.

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RE[4]: So the real news...
by archiesteel on Tue 25th Apr 2006 19:33 in reply to "RE[3]: So the real news..."
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Means should you ever BECOME rich, you're open for prosecution...

Not rich, but rather in a monopoly position, and even then only if you abuse that monopoly. Also, despite what you're trying to insinuate, it is not people who are targeted here, but a company. Companies aren't REAL persons, despite the historical abberation that has made them into moral persons.

In other words, your dramatic fearmongering is uncalled for. If MS broke the law, it must pay, simple as that - and yes, the law is different if you wield monopoly power.

Dangerous, DANGEROUS talk here people. Does this mean that if Linux or apple gain dominant market share, you want to shoot them down too?

Apple, possibly, but not Linux, because it's not a company...it doesn't belong to any company in particular and it's open, so no one can use it to gain undue market advantage.

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RE[4]: So the real news...
by rcsteiner on Tue 25th Apr 2006 20:29 in reply to "RE[3]: So the real news..."
rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

Why in god's name would you want a world where laws do not apply equally?

But laws don't apply equally in *many* situations.

If you are a felon (that is, you've been convicted of a felony crime) in the US, there are certain rights that are taken away from you because of that conviction.

Companies can discriminate against you when hiring, for example, and you no longer have the same right to bear arms that your unconvicted neighbor might have.

The same thing exists for those who reach a certain legally recognized level of control in a given marketplace.

If the courts formally recognize you as having a monooly position, some of the rules change because of your dominant position, and a company which decides to act in violation of the laws anyway can find itself subject to all kinds of problems (as Microsoft is now finding).

Just ask Standard Oil or AT&T about it. :-)

Nice misapplication of a quote, by the way...

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