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Ubuntu is pure crap!
by Babi Asu on Sat 29th Apr 2006 12:21 UTC
Babi Asu
Member since:
2006-02-11

I decided to give a try to Ubuntu, as many people said it's good. I need avidemux, and because currently it is not compilable in Mac Intel, I plan to run it in other OS using virtualization (with parallels). Windows XP run avidemux smoothly. But because my OEM license doesn't cover second installation, so I try Ubuntu. In short, it's installed sucessfully. Then I try to install avidemux with the "famous" apt-get.

$ apt-get install avidemux

package not found (I forgot the exact error message)

$ apt-get install avidemux2

package not found

Ok, may be it's not too popular, so I download the source and try to recompile.

$ ./configure

can't create binary

What? GCC is not installed? Ok, I run synaptic and install gcc.

$ ./configure

Can't compile C++ source code

Oh god, why g++-3.4 is not symlinked to gcc?

$ setenv CXX g++-3.4

command not found

$ set CXX=g++-3.4; export CXX
$ ./configure
$ make

error, gtk+2.0 library not found

Oh c'mon, this is GNOME system, but gtk+ is not installed? After I try to install with apt-get and synaptic with no luck, I gave up. So this is one of proof to the famous "proverb":

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

Then I install PC-BSD, and install avidemux.

# pkg_add -r avidemux

Package can not be downloaded.

Hmm, ok, the binary package is not available for FreeBSD 6.0.

# cd /usr/ports/mul

oops, ports it's not installed by default, so install the port first.

# cd /usr/ports/multimedia/avidemux
# make install clean

error, glib20 not found.

Oops, this glib evil from Linux often makes some trouble in FreeBSD system. Need to reinstall.

# cd /usr/ports/devel/glib20
# make install clean

# cd -
# make install clean

Avidemux installed. Done.

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RE: Ubuntu is pure crap!
by da_Chicken on Sat 29th Apr 2006 12:49 in reply to "Ubuntu is pure crap!"
da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

Install Ubuntu 6.06 Beta 2.
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, enabling "multiverse".
Run "sudo apt-get update".
Run "sudo apt-get install avidemux".
Done.

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RE: Ubuntu is pure crap!
by leech on Sat 29th Apr 2006 13:22 in reply to "Ubuntu is pure crap!"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

So otherwise you're saying it's just as hard in FreeBSD as it is in Ubuntu to get it to compile. An 'apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev' would have fixed the issue of not being able to compile it. Or better yet, as others said, just enable the universe and multiverse repositories in Ubuntu. If you still feel the need to compile it, you can 'apt-get build-dep avidemux' and it'll get all the development libraries that particular program needs to compile. I haven't seen any non-source distribution be able to do that. Debian based distros rule!

Leech

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RE: Ubuntu is pure crap!
by mkools on Sat 29th Apr 2006 15:52 in reply to "Ubuntu is pure crap!"
mkools Member since:
2005-10-11

Your idiot level is not Ubuntu's fault.
If you took a few minutes to read the documentation or searched the forums then you'd have found out very quickly that you only needed to enable the extra repositories in synaptic, it's just one click with a mousebutton.

After that it's just: apt-get install avidemux and all requiered dependecies are automaticly downloaded and installed.

You've wasted a lot of hours installing Ubuntu and FreeBSD, and compiling things from source, where you could have been done in about 1 minute maybe even less.

So tell me what's crap, Ubuntu or you? And that's a rhetorical question ;)

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RE: Ubuntu is pure crap!
by netpython on Sat 29th Apr 2006 16:54 in reply to "Ubuntu is pure crap!"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

$ apt-get install avidemux

Not sudo apt-get install avidemux btw?

Not all packages can be officially included for legal reasons.

You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list as described in that file or you install comfortably with the GUI add/remove apps,it will make a notice that the particular app ( in this case avidemux) is in the multiverse repository.
Furthermore it will ask you wether you want the multiverse repository to be added,it's that simple.

As far as compiling from source is concerned there is a more *fool-proof* procedure.

sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential (needed)
mkdir -p tmptesting && cd tmptesting (make a compile dir)

(make sure you add the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list)

now in order to not get any dependancy errors run the following:sudo apt-get build-dep <application>
All posible dependancies are now met.


fakeroot apt-get source -b <application> will download the source(s) for you and will compile a *.deb for you which you can install with: dpkg -i <app-name>.deb

Oh c'mon, this is GNOME system, but gtk+ is not installed?

Yes the binairy compiled by the package maintainer.But as an dependancy for compiling from source you need to install certain *.dev packages.

After I try to install with apt-get and synaptic with no luck, I gave up.

Had you taken time to spend a few seconds reading the online manual this wouldn't have happened.Than again it's so easy and intuitive to use the aforementioned GUI installer and considering your style of writing i'm tempted to not calling you a troll.

So this is one of proof to the famous "proverb":

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.


As all OS's are a device and with any device comes a manual wether you read it or not.

How intuitive and nicely an certain OS's might be.You still have to gain some pre knowledge.In Ubuntu's case very little because it explains itself and is easy to extend yet still linux and thus powerfull.

So is BSD by the way.But your advocacy doesn't do anyone a favour.

Edited 2006-04-29 16:56

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RE[2]: Ubuntu is pure crap!
by Babi Asu on Sun 30th Apr 2006 01:24 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu is pure crap!"
Babi Asu Member since:
2006-02-11


$ apt-get install avidemux

Not sudo apt-get install avidemux btw?


su or sudo -s at the beginning


Not all packages can be officially included for legal reasons.


It is true for faac and faad, but not for avidemux.


You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list as described in that file or you install comfortably with the GUI add/remove apps,it will make a notice that the particular app ( in this case avidemux) is in the multiverse repository.
Furthermore it will ask you wether you want the multiverse repository to be added,it's that simple.

As far as compiling from source is concerned there is a more *fool-proof* procedure.

sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential (needed)
mkdir -p tmptesting && cd tmptesting (make a compile dir)

(make sure you add the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list)

now in order to not get any dependancy errors run the following:sudo apt-get build-dep <application>
All posible dependancies are now met.

fakeroot apt-get source -b <application> will download the source(s) for you and will compile a *.deb for you which you can install with: dpkg -i <app-name>.deb



I use Ubuntu 5.1, because there was no Ubuntu 6.0 DVD iso. And I already uncomment all in sources.list: universe, mainverse, src, security, but still no luck.

In FreeBSD, most of the time, I always try to get binary first by issuing "pkg_add -r" command. If the binary package is not available, then I compile the source from ports, just only by issuing "make install clean" in the application port directory. Or if "portupgrade" application is installed, "portinstall" command will do both steps.

I don't understand why people said apt-get is bettern than ports.


Oh c'mon, this is GNOME system, but gtk+ is not installed?

Yes the binairy compiled by the package maintainer.But as an dependancy for compiling from source you need to install certain *.dev packages.


Ok, this one is the thing I forgot about linux, typically there 3 packages for each application, i.e. bin, src and dev. Also for binary, there are a large range of architecture x distro combinations, e.g. i386.rpm, i686.mdk, ppc-ubuntu.deb, etc.



After I try to install with apt-get and synaptic with no luck, I gave up.

Had you taken time to spend a few seconds reading the online manual this wouldn't have happened.Than again it's so easy and intuitive to use the aforementioned GUI installer and considering your style of writing i'm tempted to not calling you a troll.

So this is one of proof to the famous "proverb":

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

As all OS's are a device and with any device comes a manual wether you read it or not.

How intuitive and nicely an certain OS's might be.You still have to gain some pre knowledge.In Ubuntu's case very little because it explains itself and is easy to extend yet still linux and thus powerfull.

So is BSD by the way.But your advocacy doesn't do anyone a favour.


If for installing an application I have to read all manuals, than Ubuntu is already failed for targeting average home users.

I'm not advocating BSD. For your joy of life, you should use Mac OSX. I give score "almost perfect" for Desktop OS. In short try of Ubuntu and PC-BSD (or actually GNOME and KDE), the feel and touch I experenced was far below Aqua. But for server, of course I will advocate FreeBSD.

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RE: Ubuntu is pure crap!
by Buffalo Soldier on Sun 30th Apr 2006 06:29 in reply to "Ubuntu is pure crap!"
Buffalo Soldier Member since:
2005-07-06

Dear Babi Asu,

To install avidemux from a freshly installed run this at the command line:

1. sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (enable universe and multiverse repositories by uncommenting the approriate line)

2. sudo apt-get update (to get the latest list of apps from the newly enabled repositoies)

3. sudo apt-get install avidemux (it will say something like:-
"The following extra packages will be installed:
libsmjs1
Recommended packages:
toolame
The following NEW packages will be installed
avidemux libsmjs1
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2896kB of archives.
After unpacking 7467kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?"


Enter "Y" and you will have your avidemux installed.


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Off the topic
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Usually I would run a full update on my system before installing a new application/package. To do that, after running step 2, do this:

a. sudo apt-get upgrade (for typical upgrades) and then

b. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (for heavy upgrades such as kernel and etc)

If you still experience any problems, do not hesitate to use the mailing-list, IRC or the forum (http://ubuntuforums.org)

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