Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 3rd May 2006 16:03 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y CNet compares Acer's TravelMate 8200 to apple's MacBook Pro, and concludes the Acer wins; but only by a small margin. "The Acer pulled ahead with ample features and superior performance and battery life, then sealed the deal with its lower sticker price. If you're looking for the most connectivity and fastest performance for your dollar, the TravelMate 8200 is the laptop to buy. The MacBook Pro's strengths clearly lie in aesthetics, from its lightweight, eye-pleasing design to its graphics-friendly display to its elegant operating system. And Apple's superior software package could be said to offset the price differential between the MacBook Pro and the TravelMate 8200."
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RE[3]: small margin?
by snowbender on Thu 4th May 2006 09:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: small margin?"
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"I agree about OSX's lack of ogg support being a major downside"
It indeed is a downside that it's not included by default. But I believe you can add this afterwards. If we look at Windows, does Windows Media Player play oggs by default?

The remark about legacy software and backwards compatibility. Yeah, it has advantages that you can run your applications from x years ago on a current operating system and current hardware. I do see this advantage. But on the other hand, I also realise that hardware (x86 for example) and operating systems drag a lot of extra complexity with them just to provide this backwards compatibility. In a way, I sometimes wish that they could use the knowledge acquired during all those years to build something from scratch, that is not limited by the need for backwards compatibility. That should result in a nice and clean platform (both hardware and os), I think. It would however be a nightmare for users and developers, I also realise that. But in principle I don't find breaking backwards compatibility necessarily a bad thing.

"On Macs, you're stuck with Yellowdog Linux, ..."
I assume you're referring to PowerPC based macs then? In any case, there's a lot more linux versions that support the PowerPC architecture. I happen to run Debian Linux, but also the Ubuntu, Gentoo, Mandrake, Suse, Mandriva Linux distro's run on powerpc hardware. You can also run NetBSD, OpenBSD and Darwin for sure as far as BSDs go. I wouldn't call those "obscure ones".
Just mentioning this for the people who might be misled by your post.

The argument that you can't run certain OSes natively on powerpc hardware is a bit weak in my opinion. You can't go out to an Apple shop and buy Mac OSX Tiger for your no-brand x86 hardware. I think that is relevant for a lot more people than it is relevant for people that they can run DOS natively. Btw, I'm pretty sure that older versions of Windows do not run anymore on recent hardware. At least I couldn't install Windows95 on my pentium4 1.7Ghz because it was basically too fast. (Windows95 uses a timing loop, which on fast hardware results in a division by zero; Microsoft had a fix for this, but to install the patch to make windows run, you needed windows running so you could install the patch)

"Anyone who says that Macs have a software advantage hasn't seriously looked past their own personal bias."
You need to add "in their opinion" in your mind when someone says that. I don't think I need to take into account someone elses personal bias when I'm chosing what I'm gonna buy. But, still, most people don't care about running SkyOS, OS/2, ten variants of DOS, Plan9 and an unending list of hobby OSes, that's in fact irrelevant for the majority of computer users. I think for the majority of computer users there's only 2 OSes or maybe 3: Windows and OSX, and maybe Linux. Whether OSX offers a software advantage is of course subjective and depends on the software you need and on what you like. I think that looking at the amount of software, then you have an advantage with Windows, if you look at the average quality of software, I believe you have an advantage with OSX.

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RE[4]: small margin?
by JacobMunoz on Thu 4th May 2006 14:55 in reply to "RE[3]: small margin?"
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Thank you for the respectful response, a true sign of professionalism.

I agree that man Linux distros have concurrent versions on different hardware platforms, but many of the powerful apps are hardware dependent - so while the OS may support PPC, your favorite app may not. Plus, the Apple harddisk partitioning scheme does not happily coexist with standard PC partition schemes - so this can sometimes throw a monkeywrench into your plans.

And I have to admit that you were correct in saying that I should have added 'in my opinion' to my statements - an oversight on my part. But when I consider what software I want (or need) to run - my first concern is 'choice'. There are many applications for OSX, and yes they are quite good - however, the choices are limited in their selection and quite often the features of these programs are often limited to basic functionality. Apple's 'Finder' is ugly and (to me) child-like, with so little customization (can't even explore an app directory?), and as it is the main (if ONLY) shell other than a bash terminal - I see it as a major failure.

It is true that most people don't care about hobby OSes, but this is a characteristic trait that will end up locking you into one platform (for many, XP). People need to be reminded that there are more than just Microsoft and Apple products, and that these two are not inherently 'superior' to anything else. I may not NEED choices, but without them - I feel like the computer is telling ME what to do, versus the other way around.

So when comparing these two laptops, I've completely ignored the OS mainly because I know I'd blow away whatever was installed. And after the OS is gone you are left with just the hardware which (to me) must be as compatible and standard as possible.

Thanks for the nice reply...

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