Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Aug 2005 18:23 UTC
Windows Head of all things Windows at Microsoft, Jim Allchin provides a heads up on the operating system formerly known as Longhorn: "Most of the stuff that we would expect that tech enthusiasts and consumers will be interested in will happen at Beta 2. Beta 1 is not what I would call deeply interesting unless you are a real bithead".
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RE: forget it
by sappyvcv on Mon 1st Aug 2005 22:07 UTC in reply to "forget it"
sappyvcv
Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, Windows has fallen behind Linux a little on the desktop. But Vista will put it back ahead for the most part.

Where's hardware accelerated composited desktop on linux that doesn't require you to set it up yourself and is stable? Does it support pixel shaders like Avalon does (hence the frosted glass look) or just per-pixel transparency?

Does linux have anything like XAML? Assuming you even know the capabilities of XAML.

Can linux do object piping on the console instead of just text piping?

Built in DVD recording that is as easy as drag and drop?

http://weakmind.org/upload/files/LonghornFeatures.html Again, a nice list of Vista features.

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RE[2]: forget it
by sbenitezb on Mon 1st Aug 2005 22:31 in reply to "RE: forget it"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

"Yes, Windows has fallen behind Linux a little on the desktop. But Vista will put it back ahead for the most part."

Vista hasn't been released yet. Do you think Linux will stay stagnant for (+-)2 years?

"Where's hardware accelerated composited desktop on linux that doesn't require you to set it up yourself and is stable? Does it support pixel shaders like Avalon does (hence the frosted glass look) or just per-pixel transparency?"

Can't you just wait 2 years? Anyway, do we really need to see special effects on our desktops too? I want a simple to use desktop environment, I don't need it to make me go blind.

"Does linux have anything like XAML? Assuming you even know the capabilities of XAML."

XUL. But do you really think that XAML will get developers support? There are still a lot of developers using VB5, VB6 and the ones that are just getting into .NET, how much more tech. will they learn to satisfy MS ego and marketing policies?

"Can linux do object piping on the console instead of just text piping?"

No, but I don't find it usefull. Unix/Linux had the best available console for so many years. Abruptly, MS comes in with that *console wannabe* superhyperhichtech with objects and all that shit that no one will know how to use it. Best stuff are just plain text with some perl parsers and bash scripts. Keep it simple, stupid.

"Built in DVD recording that is as easy as drag and drop?"

I can write DVD from my GNOME with drag&drop right now. Don't need to wait countless years.

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RE[3]: forget it
by sappyvcv on Mon 1st Aug 2005 23:14 in reply to "RE[2]: forget it"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

The special effects isn't what it's about. It's about offloading the GUI to the graphics card to get faster, more responsive interface. As well, we can use special effects better as visual cues without being so costly.

XUL is not like XAML. XAML will get support from some major developers, because it is a great thing.

You can say object piping isn't useful, but it is. You don't have to parse the text yourself and hope it's formatted how you expect it. The data is already structured for you. Not only that, if you change one thing, suddenly $4 becomes $5 in your awk script. With Monad, it's still $_.blah.

I didn't know GNOME did DVD recording so simply, that's why I asked. That's pretty cool though.

But anyone that thinks Vista won't "catch up" to Linux is kidding themselves.

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RE[2]: forget it
by on Mon 1st Aug 2005 22:46 in reply to "RE: forget it"
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In response to http://weakmind.org/upload/files/LonghornFeatures.html

1. Deployment/Servicing: Monad
Bash

2. Deployment/Servicing: Faster Installation
Any LiveCD installer

3. Deployment/Servicing: ClickOnce
Linux has this, though the name escapes me

4. Filesystem: Transactional File Transfers
Not sure, but Reiser4 is quite robust

5. Filesystem: File Virtualization
Symlinks

6. Hardware: Built-in DVD Recording
apt/emerge/yum dvd tools, run DVD author script

7. Hardware: Auxiliary Devices
As long as there are drivers, linux supports them

8. Hardware: Microphone Arrays
Not to sure about this, but doesn't sound too useful for Joe User

9. Hardware: Touch-screen support (maybe?)
See 7.

10. Hardware: Hybrid Hard-drive support
This is a hardware improvement not limited to one OS

11. Hardware: Stealth Modding
Hotplug/Coldplug/knowing your modprobe

12. Interface: Faster Search Engine
Beagle/pyBeagle

13. Interface: Start Menu Program Searching
Gnome Launch Box

14. Interface: Virtual Folders
Beagle-Nautilus integration

15. Interface: Word Document Thumbnails
Anything is scriptable in linux

16. Interface: Avalon
GTK#/PyGTK/QT4/Glade

17. Interface: Theming Unlocked
Part of the U - KDE/Gnome/XFCE - and no limits on what can be "themed"

18. Interface: Native RSS Support
libRSS?

19. Interface: Aero
Linux is currently behind on a stable feature like this - but Glitz/Cairo/Luminocity will bring fantastic UI

20. Internet: Indigo
Too many to mention

21. Internet Explorer: Tabs
Firefox

22. Internet Explorer: RSS
Firefox

23. Internet Explorer: Search Bar
Firefox / Panel bar search applets / Other browsers (Opera etc)

24. Kernel: Improved Hardware Scalability
Implicit in linux 2.6.x

25. Kernel: Application Resource Management
Don't know about this one

26. Kernel: Graphics Display Driver Model Improvements
Graphics is a contentious issue, though Luminocity can provide a Vista quality UI on an intel i810 chipset...

27. Kernel: TCP/IP Offloading
Again, not too sure

28. Maintenance: Windows Assessment Tool
It already does run "to its full potential"

29. Miscellaneous: Metro
PDF

30. Programming: WinFX (ties to Avalon, Indigo, WinFS when released, and XAML)
Mono/Python/Ruby/etc

31. Registry: Transactional Registry Handling
Transactional text file handling

32. Registry: Registry Virtualization
No need

33. Security: full-volume encryption
If this is EFS "Advanced", god help us

34. Security: Full NX (No Execute) Support
Don't know

35. Security: Least-privilege User Access
Users / Sudo

36. Security: Protected Administrator
Sudo

37. Security: Secure Startup
Bit too big brother for my liking

38. Security: Optional Automation of Anti-Virus Subscription Renewals.
No major virii - no need for active scanner

39. Security: Proactive Firewall
Nothing like this

40. Miscellaneous: Instant On
Linux support improving but still not a patch on Windows

41. Media: Glitch-free Audio and Video Playback
GStreamer

42. Networking: Castle
SMB/CIFS/NFS

43. Security: Parental controls
chmod

44. Deployment/Servicing: Error Data Transmission
Linux Logging

45. Interface: Device Manager Improvements
HAL

46. Deployment/Servicing: Driver Protection
No need

47. Interface: Help and Support Headlines
Endlessly useful people in community forums / email support / paid for support

48. Deployment/Servicing: Language Independence
Ditto any decent linux distribution, in fact I think more languages are supported through .po files

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RE[3]: forget it
by Ronald Vos on Mon 1st Aug 2005 23:56 in reply to "RE[2]: forget it"
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06


3. Deployment/Servicing: ClickOnce
Linux has this, though the name escapes me


You're probably thinking of ZeroInstall.

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