Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Aug 2005 18:23 UTC
Windows Head of all things Windows at Microsoft, Jim Allchin provides a heads up on the operating system formerly known as Longhorn: "Most of the stuff that we would expect that tech enthusiasts and consumers will be interested in will happen at Beta 2. Beta 1 is not what I would call deeply interesting unless you are a real bithead".
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RE[4]: forget it
by sbenitezb on Mon 1st Aug 2005 23:24 UTC
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2005-07-22

"The special effects isn't what it's about. It's about offloading the GUI to the graphics card to get faster, more responsive interface. As well, we can use special effects better as visual cues without being so costly."

Yeah, but why? I have no 3D card, 128MB ram and a 600Mhz processor and it just works nice. Why do you have such a need of a 3Ghz CPU and a GPU just to open some windows? Sure offloading some work to the GPU is good, Linux will have that one too. It's not a Vista thing, all desktops will have that in the end. Right now, only Mac OS X has that.

"XUL is not like XAML. XAML will get support from some major developers, because it is a great thing."

XUL is a great thing too, without argueing about it. But in this new FOSS world, why do you think major players will opt for a closed/monoplatform technology?

"But anyone that thinks Vista won't "catch up" to Linux is kidding themselves."

You're just saying that current Windows XP lags behind Linux and it will need 2 years for Windows to catch it. If that is really true, then you must assume Linux won't get stagnant those 2 years and will make a lot of great steps towards innovation and desktop integration.

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RE[5]: forget it
by sappyvcv on Mon 1st Aug 2005 23:41 in reply to "RE[4]: forget it"
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2005-07-06

"Yeah, but why? I have no 3D card, 128MB ram and a 600Mhz processor and it just works nice. Why do you have such a need of a 3Ghz CPU and a GPU just to open some windows?"

You don't. But it helps with efficiency, and it's called evolution. Things evolve. If you don't like it, you're welcome to continue using your 600mhz computer with no hardware accelerated desktop. Some of us will enjoy using it though.

"XUL is a great thing too, without argueing about it. But in this new FOSS world, why do you think major players will opt for a closed/monoplatform technology?"

What? What does FOSS have to do with what I said? I pointed out than XAML and XUL are quite different (they are), and that XAML will be used by big developers (if you saw the same demos I did, you'd agree).

"You're just saying that current Windows XP lags behind Linux and it will need 2 years for Windows to catch it. If that is really true, then you must assume Linux won't get stagnant those 2 years and will make a lot of great steps towards innovation and desktop integration."

Yes it does lag behind Linux in some aspects. Vista will [should] be out by the end of 2006, that's not 2 years. I didn't say Linux will stay stagnant either. But you're assuming that whatever Vista does, linux will have matched it by the time it's released. I don't think that's true. Linux will make some great steps by then, by I think Vista will be ahead for a little while.

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RE[6]: forget it
by sbenitezb on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 00:07 in reply to "RE[5]: forget it"
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2005-07-22

"You don't. But it helps with efficiency, and it's called evolution. Things evolve. If you don't like it, you're welcome to continue using your 600mhz computer with no hardware accelerated desktop. Some of us will enjoy using it though."

Well, that depends on what do you expect about evolution. I don't expect to buy new hardware just because they want to sell more Windows copies. Of course I would enjoy an accelerated desktop, but I don't think title bar transparency, shadows, glare and all that stuff is evolution. I would expect integration, stability, speed, security better than eye-tricks. Not so useful in the end. Sure you will look at it and say: wonderful. But that's not a computer for. It's meant to use it, not to watch it make the tricks.

"What? What does FOSS have to do with what I said? I pointed out than XAML and XUL are quite different (they are), and that XAML will be used by big developers (if you saw the same demos I did, you'd agree)."

Right now, what matters is enterprise development. Enterprise development is headed towards Java, EJBs, LAMP, and .NET.
Businesses don't need to have all that FX-loaded applications. They need simple, easy to use, efficient business applications. That's the way it is. You won't need XAML in the enterprise. Sure you will get tons of XAML applications in download.com, but for desktop use and time wasting.

Big companies, won't get into the only-windows trap. They develop multiplatform applications. XAML won't fit them.


"Yes it does lag behind Linux in some aspects. Vista will [should] be out by the end of 2006, that's not 2 years. I didn't say Linux will stay stagnant either. But you're assuming that whatever Vista does, linux will have matched it by the time it's released. I don't think that's true. Linux will make some great steps by then, by I think Vista will be ahead for a little while."

Well, I don't think Linux should match every thing Vista will/would (who knows, actually) have by the time it's released (if it ever is). What's interesting about your view is that you're talking cheap about Vista, and it just doesn't exist at all. It's a bunch of copied&pasted XP code with some patches and additions and a lot of things left off. It's not and OS right now, it's just another service pack to XP with a different theme and some minor tweaks in UI plus a roadmap of things it will have by then. Yeah, because we all know that MS promises are God's word. How much time did they spent putting all this together? How many years?

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EyeCandy is great
by on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 06:07 in reply to "RE[4]: forget it"
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I don't know what you are talking about. I have a modern P4 and a nice video card, and I want my desktop to look nice as possible. I mean.....eye candy is cool. It is what attracts people. I'll say that eye candy in Linux right now is much better than eye candy in XP, and in two years it will be easier to use (biggest problem now) and more stable.

I use Enlightenment 17 inside of Gnome. I run xcompmgr for as much as I can stand it (its bugginess is pretty big now) and I love the ride. To even get Xp eye candy it costs money. My ride costs my time.....

In two years Vista will surge ahead. And it will be neat. Its will just because it has better drivers. But then...a year will go by....and .....then two...and two till next release.....

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