Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th May 2006 20:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "I also don't have a lot of interest in being a good person or bad person, from what I can tell either way you are screwed." This is what Georgia Lass, lead character of my favourite television production "Dead Like Me", says, when she introduces herself in the pilot episode. I cannot speak for the developers behind the Kororaa Xgl live CD, but I'd think Georgia nailed the situation they must be in pretty well. Note: this is the Mon... Err, Sunday Eve Column. My apologies for the delay, but I was... Incapacitated yesterday eve.
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"Far less attractive"
by Ford Prefect on Mon 15th May 2006 21:24 UTC
Ford Prefect
Member since:
2006-01-16

Many things people can't do actually would make people's work much more attractive. It's just they are not allowed to do so and almost everytime it is to protect someone elses rights.

Some things, even if it's sad, just can't be done. The real problem are the proprietary drivers. I know there won't be free nvidia drivers. But if windows would demand hardware developers to release their drivers open, guess what we would have. So blame nvidia, ati.

If there would be no GPL or GNU, there would be no linux distribution as you know it today. So don't blame people for what they have contributed, just because they have done it in a way which doesn't fit all needs.

Don't say "this license doesn't make sense, because I don't care a f--k". This doesn't matter. The developers seem to care or have cared, and you have to obey their rules.


cu
Ford Prefect

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RE: "Far less attractive"
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 15th May 2006 21:29 in reply to ""Far less attractive""
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If there would be no GPL or GNU, there would be no linux distribution as you know it today.

Nonsense. If the FSF didn't write a compiler, someone else would've. Saying that Linux thanks its existance to the FSF or the GPL is rather shortsighted-- Linus would've just chosen another license. I don't think Linus thought: "Hey, there's a GPL, let's write a kernel for it.". It was the other way around. "I have written a kernel, maybe the GPL is a suitable license."

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RE[2]: "Far less attractive"
by Ford Prefect on Mon 15th May 2006 21:57 in reply to "RE: "Far less attractive""
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

There were compilers before the FSF was there. There was also UNIX. It's not like "if guy xy wouldn't have invented the wheel, someone else would have".

Why should anyone write a decent C compiler and distribute it completely freely, if not for idealistic reasons?

What would Linus have done with his kernel without GNU? Would others have joined Linus' development if it was another license? Do you really think the kernel is the biggest part of an operating system?


Who's talking nonsense, you just can't know what would've been. Who would've written a gcc equivalent? You?

It could be that we would have the same we have now without the FSF. But I don't think that's realistic for today.


cu
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p.s.: Someone modded my comment done, but what was the reason so it got accomplished? I can only think of "Yes, I disagree with this user/opinion". Surely an option only available for OSNews editors who can call other's comments as "nonsense" I guess. Sadly enough I can't mod down your *private opinion*.

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RE[2]: "Far less attractive"
by boots on Tue 16th May 2006 01:59 in reply to "RE: "Far less attractive""
boots Member since:
2005-07-06

Nonsense. If the FSF didn't write a compiler, someone else would've.

Nonsense. It takes more than one person to write a compiler of that quality and breadth. Besides that, you seem to be missing a lot of important evidence to support your case -- their are plenty of licenses to choose from yet GPL'd products are prevalant in FOSS. I posit that the reason so many people contribute to GPL projects is just because they know that their work will be equally shared by all as per the GPL agreement. No one is FORCED to use GPL products but the law insists that we obey copyrights. For example, I don't use MS products because I don't care for their licensing which prohibits things I might want to do, such as using parts of their code base to form a new product of my own. Yet I respect Microsoft's right to choose how to license their product. It would be very nice (and not at all asking too much) if people choosing to use GPL'd products would obey copyright and adhere to the licenses that the products are provided with.

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RE[2]: "Far less attractive"
by Duffman on Tue 16th May 2006 06:21 in reply to "RE: "Far less attractive""
Duffman Member since:
2005-11-23

Nonsense. If the FSF didn't write a compiler, Linux today would be no more.

The BSDs systems would have take his place.

And Yes, Linux thanks its existance to the FSF. A Linux kernel without GNU tools is useless.

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