Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th May 2006 20:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "I also don't have a lot of interest in being a good person or bad person, from what I can tell either way you are screwed." This is what Georgia Lass, lead character of my favourite television production "Dead Like Me", says, when she introduces herself in the pilot episode. I cannot speak for the developers behind the Kororaa Xgl live CD, but I'd think Georgia nailed the situation they must be in pretty well. Note: this is the Mon... Err, Sunday Eve Column. My apologies for the delay, but I was... Incapacitated yesterday eve.
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RE[2]: "Far less attractive"
by Ford Prefect on Mon 15th May 2006 21:57 UTC in reply to "RE: "Far less attractive""
Ford Prefect
Member since:
2006-01-16

There were compilers before the FSF was there. There was also UNIX. It's not like "if guy xy wouldn't have invented the wheel, someone else would have".

Why should anyone write a decent C compiler and distribute it completely freely, if not for idealistic reasons?

What would Linus have done with his kernel without GNU? Would others have joined Linus' development if it was another license? Do you really think the kernel is the biggest part of an operating system?


Who's talking nonsense, you just can't know what would've been. Who would've written a gcc equivalent? You?

It could be that we would have the same we have now without the FSF. But I don't think that's realistic for today.


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p.s.: Someone modded my comment done, but what was the reason so it got accomplished? I can only think of "Yes, I disagree with this user/opinion". Surely an option only available for OSNews editors who can call other's comments as "nonsense" I guess. Sadly enough I can't mod down your *private opinion*.

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RE[3]: "Far less attractive"
by vitae on Mon 15th May 2006 22:05 in reply to "RE[2]: "Far less attractive""
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

BSD existed before the GNU. A whole operating system, given away freely and all you have to do is acknowledge UC Berkeley's work. Linux could have done it without the FSF. They just made it easier.

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by Moulinneuf on Tue 16th May 2006 13:59 in reply to "RE[3]: "Far less attractive""
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

"BSD existed before the GNU."

Yes.

The only problem is that your delusionnal and think that BSD or any BSD's can be the same as GNU. The most advanced BSD are ? Microsoft and Apple , they are both Not Free ( as in freedom ) and they are both closed source and are both traitor license ( They took Open Source code switch the license to something not Open Source controlled by only them )

"A whole operating system, given away freely and all you have to do is acknowledge UC Berkeley's work."

Thats why it fails , in order to be a real Open Source and real Free software , not just gratis ( the freely term you used is wrong ) , it as to be mandatory that it stay at all time Open Source and that it dont take rights that are what make it free. Otherwise you get BSD , and BSD dont work in reality.

"They just made it easier."

No they made it a working reality in human society. Any theory is good on paper , but very few are realistic and workable in the human society.

The sad reality is that BSD is based on noble principle exept that because its a protection clause and that its irrealistic , it get taken over by the one who have the most power and money. Thats why its a failure.

The GPL is one license , that get updated over time to face the new legal reality of our world , the BSD'S are all protection clauses that are trying to be Free license ( as in freedom )like the GPL , but they dont care about freedom , just that you use the code.

http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

Only FreeBSD.

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=know...

No BSD driver.

BTW before you start foaming at the mouth and making lies and insult about me you have to look at the license of Xfree and X.org , they are Open Source and similar to BSD's , thats why the Graphic driver are lacking we believed and listened to the false and empty promise made by the Open Source advocate and hardware maker to deliver the driver that everyone can use , as always , it dont exist , if we ( GNU/Linux IMF ) can stop following , listening and responding to the FUD and bulshit and jealousy that BSD and the rest of the OS who are lesser and of no consequence to us we can then start making the GNU/Linux GPL graphic driver.

Responding to every bozo who as a false opinion about the GPL and the state of the graphic driver according to what there clueless friend told them , is not going to fix the problem that we need GPL graphic driver that dont exist as direct replacement yet.

WE NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM , not discuss it.

WE NEED GNU/LINUX GPL GRAPHIC DRIVER

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by Moulinneuf on Tue 16th May 2006 13:22 in reply to "RE[2]: "Far less attractive""
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

"Would others have joined Linus' development if it was another license?"

No , the Linux kernel was first under another license and nobody used it , then LT switched it to the GPL and the GNU developper and user started contributing to it and building company to support it.

Thats one of the reason why the OS is called GNU/Linux.

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