Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th May 2006 20:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "I also don't have a lot of interest in being a good person or bad person, from what I can tell either way you are screwed." This is what Georgia Lass, lead character of my favourite television production "Dead Like Me", says, when she introduces herself in the pilot episode. I cannot speak for the developers behind the Kororaa Xgl live CD, but I'd think Georgia nailed the situation they must be in pretty well. Note: this is the Mon... Err, Sunday Eve Column. My apologies for the delay, but I was... Incapacitated yesterday eve.
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RE[5]: Linux opinion
by ralph on Tue 16th May 2006 19:09 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Linux opinion"
ralph
Member since:
2005-07-10

"No , but you dont understand law and how copyright works , the GPL is Copyleft and is controlled by the FSF , if you whant normal copyright protection and control of the license dont use the GPL , because you whont like it at all. "

Jesus, this has to be some of the dumbest stuff I read recently.
1. The GPL is a copyright license legaly. Otherwise the GPL would be meaningless.
2. It's copyleft becuase it uses the legal framework of copyright to give a license that runs contrary to what most copyright licenses want to achieve. This however does not in any way change the fact that the GPL is a copyright license.


"In reality copyright are really not basic and you dont make facts. Facts are verifiable and based on truth."

As the fact and the truth that the GPL is legaly is copyright license. FFS, if you are to dumb to figure it out yourself, write the FSF an email.


"No , because the Kororaa people are not claiming ownership over the linux kernel code , they are "accused" of something relating to GPL infrigment."

They are accused of breaking the freaking license of the freaking kernel!!!!!!

"Personnaly , what I think is disgusting is the lack of detail and the hordes of liar such as yourself who are jumping on this in order to bash the GPL , and the GNU/Linux developper and users."

No, what is disgusting are little idiots like you who don't have a clue about the GPL and free software yet troll the internet and give free software a bad name.
I did not in any way, shape or form bash the GPL, on the contrary, all I did was point out your factual errors.

"I will just wait this one out from the side from now on , because I really think its just blown out of proportion by those who hate the GPL. You know morons like you."

Again, my little dimwit friend, I don't hate the GPL, on the contrary, I really like it. That's why I defend it from idiots like you.

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RE[6]: Linux opinion
by Moulinneuf on Tue 16th May 2006 21:38 in reply to "RE[5]: Linux opinion"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

"Jesus, this has to be some of the dumbest stuff I read recently. "

You finnaly read what you wrote ? BTW dont insult the name of the son of god. He as nothing to do with your stupidity.

"1. The ... copyright license. "

Read what is written , if you dont understand it seek a lawyer.

"As the fact and the truth that the GPL is legaly is copyright license"

You keep repeating this like it means something different and answer it each times , in what I discuss. Thats not what you have a problem understanding , I did not even discuss this , I said that copyright ownership is different with the GPL because its copyleft.

"FFS, if you are to dumb to figure it out yourself, write the FSF an email. "

Why ? I got it right.

"They are accused of breaking the freaking license of the freaking kernel!!!!!! "

No , but thanks for showing you dont understand whats being discussed.

"No, what is disgusting ... give free software a bad name. "

Moulinneuf@yahoo.com have your lawyer contact me and sue me. Because of course your right.

"I did not in any way, shape or form bash the GPL"

Your falsely claiming copyleft is irrelevant ...

"on the contrary, all I did was point out your factual errors. "

I made no errors.

"Again, my little dimwit ... idiots like you."

I aint your friends , you defend nothing , you make up lies that have zero basis in reality or law.

Like I said you whant to proove your point have your lawyer contact me by email and lets settle this in court. It will be my pleasure to have you explained the principle of copyleft.

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RE[7]: Linux opinion
by ralph on Tue 16th May 2006 21:58 in reply to "RE[6]: Linux opinion"
ralph Member since:
2005-07-10

"No , but thanks for showing you dont understand whats being discussed."
Yes, that's exactly what is being discussed.
The kernel is licensed under the GPL and the email alledges that Kororaa breaks this license.

"Your falsely claiming copyleft is irrelevant ..."
I did not. I simply pointed out that contrary to your claims the GPL legaly is a copyright license.

" you make up lies that have zero basis in reality or law."
Show me one.
Quote what I wrote, write up how you understand it and then show me how what I wrote was a lie.

P.S.: As there obviously is no sense trying to reason with you, I'll stop now.

However, assuming that your enthusiasm for free software is genuine, may I suggest that you take some time to read the very good essays on the gnu site about free software, so that in future discussions you won't make any more false claims about free software and thus stop to give free software a bad name.

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RE[7]: Linux opinion
by rhavyn on Tue 16th May 2006 22:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Linux opinion"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

I said that copyright ownership is different with the GPL because its copyleft.

The GPL has nothing to do with ownership of a copyright. Whoever wrote the code owns the copyright to the code unless they legally transferred ownership to another entity (assuming they live in a jurisdiction where you can even do that; in Germany for example, there is no way to transfer copyright ownership). Using the GPL does not affect your ownership of the copyright. The copyright owner can license the code in anyway (s)he pleases including dual licensing it under the GPL and a proprietary license. MySQL, for example, is licensed in such a manner.

The term "copyleft" isn't even a legal term, it's a made up word which is used to describe GPL like licenses which use copyright law in a way it was not originally intended to be used.

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