Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th May 2006 22:13 UTC, submitted by adstro
Java "Sun today announced that Java Platform, Standard Edition 5 is now available for redistribution by GNU/Linux and OpenSolaris operating system distributors under the new Operating System Distributor's License for Java (also known as the 'Distro License for Java' or DLJ). Developed in consultation with, and for use by, the various GNU/Linux communities, the new license allows distributors to ship Sun's Java SE 5.0 Java Development Kit and Java Runtime Environment as installable packages for their operating systems." At the same time, Sun also promised to open-source Java.
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by chicobaud on Wed 17th May 2006 00:34 UTC in reply to "RE: _ º º _"
chicobaud
Member since:
2005-08-14

OK. You are right but...

Python, Tcl and komodo (from ActiveState.com) do everything better *for me* (and many others), or do the same that Java does with less pain !
And it's cross-platform.
And it's faster than Java.
And it's easier and simpler to maintain.
And you can find other Langs and Framework that are better and more efficient than Java for multi-purpose dev.
It's just that Java has had a lot of ads and hype.
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by Angel on Wed 17th May 2006 01:13 in reply to "RE[2]: _ º º _"
Angel Member since:
2005-07-07

Python, Tcl and komodo (from ActiveState.com) do everything better *for me* (and many others), or do the same that Java does with less pain !
And it's cross-platform.
And it's faster than Java.
And it's easier and simpler to maintain.
And you can find other Langs and Framework that are better and more efficient than Java for multi-purpose dev.
It's just that Java has had a lot of ads and hype.


I don't know what kind of work you do with either of those, but they don't compare in any way to Java. Python is a nice scripting language but its in a different league.
I dont know if you noticed but Java is also cross platform and in NO WAY is Pythong or TCL faster than Java.

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by chicobaud on Wed 17th May 2006 02:44 in reply to "RE[3]: _ º º _"
chicobaud Member since:
2005-08-14


they don't compare in any way to Java. Python is a nice scripting language but its in a different league.
No way is Python or TCL faster than Java.
Java is also cross platform.

Fast is fast, anywhere.
OK Java is on a different league, there is millions of Dollars backing it up.
(I don't work for Sun or any other company).
Never seen popular aplications made with Java. Seen plenty with other Lang (Red Hat installer is made with Python, other Linux config tools also use it). Python doesn't run on mobile phones like the Java Games do (they finaly found some use for the language ;)
Java has been better on speed lately (2 years) but swing not as much.
I don't want to get in a religious war here.
Regards,
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by taos on Wed 17th May 2006 01:17 in reply to "RE[2]: _ º º _"
taos Member since:
2005-11-16

Well, make up your mind:
either,
1) There are other interpreted languages today which are much better in every way.
or,
2) Python, Tcl and komodo (from ActiveState.com) do everything better *for me* (and many others)

If the latter, then no comment.

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by ahmetaa on Wed 17th May 2006 03:15 in reply to "RE[2]: _ º º _"
ahmetaa Member since:
2005-07-06

you are not serious on those right? did you actually say Python and TCl is faster then Java? and easy-simpler to maintain for multi purpose dev? what are you smoking?

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Python faster than Java???! Not a chance!
by reddog on Wed 17th May 2006 08:09 in reply to "RE[2]: _ º º _"
reddog Member since:
2006-04-20

Python, Tcl and komodo (from ActiveState.com) do everything better *for me* (and many others), or do the same that Java does with less pain !

How much simpler can you get than Netbeans 5 and Studio Creator 2?


And it's faster than Java.

Don't mean to be rude, but this isn't slashdot, you'll need to provide a link to some numbers.
Considering that JDK 5 is competitive with C++ (and thrashes mono), I seriously doubt your claims:
http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/

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chicobaud Member since:
2005-08-14

OK you people know. Suit yourselves with what you prefer, no problem about that.

Numbers would be like the cpu benchmarks, if you know wha I mean.

This page explains better what I meant:

http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html

I have given up.
Long live Java.

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

How much simpler can you get than Netbeans 5 and Studio Creator 2?

Have you ever compared Java with Python code? Python is much simpler and more compact than Java. Python programmers can write a program off the top of their head. Java programmers have to resort to the documentation much more often because the language is so huge and verbose.

Don't mean to be rude, but this isn't slashdot, you'll need to provide a link to some numbers.
Considering that JDK 5 is competitive with C++ (and thrashes mono), I seriously doubt your claims:


It all depends on what you are testing. Python is faster in some instances although I would say Java is faster overall. For example Java sucks at small apps because the VM initialization time is so much longer than Python.

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