Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 17th May 2006 14:56 UTC, submitted by Robert Escue
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Sun Microsystems plans to offer support for the Ubuntu server Linux distribution on its T1 server line, the company said at the JavaOne industry conference in San Francisco. "We will be aggressively supporting the fork work [stuff] that Ubuntu has been doing," Sun chief executive Jonathan Schwartz said at the conference. "The ideals of that community are relatively familiar to us." More here, while a comparison of Linux and Solaris on a T2000 is also available.
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RE[4]: Slippery customers
by rattaro on Wed 17th May 2006 19:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Slippery customers"
rattaro
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2005-08-22

>Jonathan's plan has been pretty obvious to me, even as an outsider. Also he's been consistent for the last 2 years (I didn't pay attention to Sun before that).
To summarize into one word: "volume".

I don't agree. I think that Sun's plan has always been "bait and switch." Use the Linux name to get your foot in the door, then push Solaris. It's not really a secret. That's why they post comparison benchmarks as often as possible. That's why they always waver on Linux support -- they don't want the support to equal that of Solaris.

It's not a very good business decision to sort of support something, then not really, then maybe, and this is where Sun frequently gets criticised. This seems to be more of a pro-Solaris position, rather than a pure business decision to me. But then again, I'm not in charge of a multi-billion dollar company, and I REALLY don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just speculating.

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RE[5]: Slippery customers
by Robert Escue on Wed 17th May 2006 19:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Slippery customers"
Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

And IBM hasn't done something like that before with Linux and AIX?

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RE[6]: Slippery customers
by rattaro on Wed 17th May 2006 19:29 in reply to "RE[5]: Slippery customers"
rattaro Member since:
2005-08-22

>And IBM hasn't done something like that before with Linux and AIX?

I don't know. I wasn't commenting on IBM; I was commenting on Sun. The topic is "Sun To Support Ubuntu Linux on Niagara."

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RE[6]: Slippery customers
by segedunum on Wed 17th May 2006 21:45 in reply to "RE[5]: Slippery customers"
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2005-07-06

And IBM hasn't done something like that before with Linux and AIX?

There's been some slight indecision there when Linux and AIX's paths have crossed, but in reality, all IBM's commitments have been towards Linux in all but their really high-end stuff that runs AIX. In many cases they've simply bitten the bullet and accepted Linux. Even if there has been some indecision, in the cold, hard light of day (and their bottom line) it hasn't mattered.

In Sun's case there is a huge amount of cross-over between Linux and Solaris to the point where Sun really just don't have a clue what to do. Do they sell Linux to get a foot in the door and push Solaris later? On what basis is Solaris pushed to customers? On that basis, what happens if customers get jittery about Sun's commitment to Linux and what they've actually sold? To double up, they also do this with SPARC and x86 and cheaper hardware.

If Sun had bit the bullet, accepted what was happening and committed themselves wholeheartedly to something like Cobalt, then the perceived threat from Linux and x86 need never have happened. They've done it before, and history repeats itself.

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RE[5]: Slippery customers
by taos on Wed 17th May 2006 20:26 in reply to "RE[4]: Slippery customers"
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2005-11-16

"bait and switch" doesn't conflict with the vision of "volume", so I am not sure which part you don't agree with ;-)

You probably also mis-used the phrase "bait and switch":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait_and_switch
otherwise how you apply "bait and switch" to the Linux-Solaris scenario? I don't get it.

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RE[6]: Slippery customers
by rattaro on Wed 17th May 2006 21:14 in reply to "RE[5]: Slippery customers"
rattaro Member since:
2005-08-22

>"bait and switch" doesn't conflict with the vision of "volume", so I am not sure which part you don't agree with ;-)

"Volume" in this context means sell as much hardware as possible, regardless of the OS. "bait and switch" in this context is saying "we support Linux," but when the call comes in to Sun, they say, "sure we can sell you linux if your really want, but Solaris is so much better for all these reasons."

I agree that the two don't conflict, but at the same time, I think that with the "volume" vision, you would really see Sun support Linux, but I just don't see that. I think I did misused "bait and switch" in the sense that I didn't mean to imply fraudulent behavior. That's too harsh.

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