Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 17:36 UTC, submitted by anonymous
BSD and Darwin derivatives It seems that PC-BSD has set a trend. "DesktopBSD aims at being a stable and powerful operating system for desktop users. DesktopBSD combines the stability of FreeBSD, the usability and functionality of KDE and the simplicity of specially developed software to provide a system that's easy to use and install." How this new BSD distribution stacks up against PC-BSD remains to be seen.
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RE[5]: how about
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: how about"
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2005-06-29

And what app is currently available packaged as a .pbi file which is not also available via an "apt-get install packagename"? Or are you just interested in .pbi packages in theory?

I like the idea of *not* needing an extra application (dpkg, apt, synaptic*) to install applications. I'm a BeOS/Mac guy; I'm used to drag/drop to (un)install applications.

* Note that I'm not saying that apt or the likes suck, they're very good in what they do. In fact, on Linux I prefer apt.

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RE[6]: how about
by on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 20:39 in reply to "RE[5]: how about"
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I like the idea of *not* needing an extra application (dpkg, apt, synaptic*) to install applications. I'm a BeOS/Mac guy; I'm used to drag/drop to (un)install applications.

If the community focused on modernizing GNUstep, you would have that. Sadly, there are very few GNUstep applications, until that changes, i dont see how the KDE/GNOME empire could change... i personally like GNUstep a lot, but i hate not having a good browser, msn, image editors and such.

By the way, before someone starts bashing me that o should code it myself then (as people always do), im a graphic designer. I use the tools, i dont develop them.

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RE[7]: how about
by cr8dle2grave on Tue 2nd Aug 2005 21:15 in reply to "RE[6]: how about"
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2005-07-11

It's trivial to implement something like AppFolders right now on Linux, but it isn't done on a widespread basis as it is a manifestly inferior means of distributing software, that is as far as software for which the source is available without licensing difficulties, when compared to the centralized repository method. Proprietary software though can be packaged into a relocatable directory which provides most of it's dependencies.

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RE[6]: how about
by on Wed 3rd Aug 2005 05:00 in reply to "RE[5]: how about"
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I like the idea of *not* needing an extra application (dpkg, apt, synaptic*) to install applications. I'm a BeOS/Mac guy; I'm used to drag/drop to (un)install applications.

Well, there is such systems already available to Linux like the excellent Autopackage - which seems to please you, according to previous postings of yours on related articles - and Klik, currently available to some recent releases of Knoppix, any Kanotix release and Linspire (after some tweaks, AFAIK), which is even better/easier than Autopackage IMHO. I believe that GoboLinux, besides its arguably innovative file system layout, is doing some experiences with the later what would please possible MacOS X converts.

The problem is that they arenīt gaining much traction in the Linux community because, quite frankly, only a small vocal minority is pushing them (even it is indeed a good idea to have them as an alternative). Seasoned Linux users donīt have too much problems with the current package managers. Actually, we prefer them to the Windows way of managing and (un)installing applications.

Personally, I have nothing against streamlining the install/uninstall process. Quite the opposite. I have played a little bit with Autopackage and Iīm completely hooked to it - specially after they developed the KDE/QT front-end - but I would like to see it informing the distro package manager that a new program was installed so that the package manager could manage it later as it sees fit (upgrade it, remove it, query it, etc.) before adopting it completely. I believe that Mike Hearn(?) already stated that this is one of the goals that theyīre pursuing for the next major releases. Once they accomplish that, Iīll be a happy camper.

Cheers,

DeadFish Man

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RE[7]: how about
by on Wed 3rd Aug 2005 17:27 in reply to "RE[6]: how about"
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My experience with GoboLinux was bad...They seem to assume that everything will retrofit in GNU Automake.
Besides, they use the Z shell (which is a better shell, but who cares about shells except for very basic stuff nowadays, since we have Perl?)

And, worse of all, they had absolutely no security police, which meant reinstalling anything that went bump in the night. And for Linux, that means a lot of stuff...

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