Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th May 2006 18:19 UTC, submitted by georfge
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The developers of the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution plan to make a new landmark version of the software widely available this week. Ubuntu's public schedule for releasing the software lists 1 June as the date for the new version, code-named 'Dapper Drake', to be made public. The milestone release will be officially supported by the project for a longer period than previous versions, and will be billed as suitable for enterprise use.
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RE[2]: Baby Steps
by ThawkTH on Mon 29th May 2006 20:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Baby Steps"
ThawkTH
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2005-07-06

True, but once one learns how things are set up, they are free to configure things as they wish. Afaik, many Ubuntu users know their way around a config file or two.

I do not believe Ubuntu keeps any options from you. While it may not be a LFS or Gentoo (Or even a Slack or Arch), it certainly isn't as bad as some make it out to be.

What does Ubuntu keep you from choosing/doing? Nothing that I know of.

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RE[3]: Baby Steps
by dark child on Mon 29th May 2006 21:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Baby Steps"
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2005-12-09

I do not believe Ubuntu keeps any options from you. While it may not be a LFS or Gentoo (Or even a Slack or Arch), it certainly isn't as bad as some make it out to be.

What does Ubuntu keep you from choosing/doing? Nothing that I know of.

Simple examples are package selection and network configuration. I prefer choosing only the packages that I need (and their dependencies of course), but you can't do this with Ubuntu. It would be good if there was something like an express install for those that like the current state of things and another option for those wishing to customise the installation.

In terms of network configuration, when I installed Dapper from the live cd, I didn't see an option to configure static networking instead of dhcp. Its a minor problem to fix, but I would prefer to do this at during install time.

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RE[4]: Baby Steps
by ricks1950 on Mon 29th May 2006 21:35 in reply to "RE[3]: Baby Steps"
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2006-03-21

>>Simple examples are package selection and network configuration. I prefer choosing only the packages that I need (and their dependencies of course), but you can't do this with Ubuntu. It would be good if there was something like an express install for those that like the current state of things and another option for those wishing to customise the installation.

Select server at install time, and pick and choose what you want to put in it. Want to run with no gui -- no problem.

>>In terms of network configuration, when I installed Dapper from the live cd, I didn't see an option to configure static networking instead of dhcp.

This is so minor to fix, and standard practice for Debian -- could it be easier? I suppose, but it's no show stopper.

I've been running Dapper on an old, old PC since the first beta -- pain in the ass to keep it updated, with 15-75 changes every day, but it WORKS.

If Ubuntu Dapper is too tough for you to use, you probably shouldn't be allowed to touch a computer. Adding software is brain-dead simple; updates too.

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RE[4]: Baby Steps
by Arno on Mon 29th May 2006 21:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Baby Steps"
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2006-01-10

Simple examples are package selection and network configuration. I prefer choosing only the packages that I need (and their dependencies of course), but you can't do this with Ubuntu. It would be good if there was something like an express install for those that like the current state of things and another option for those wishing to customise the installation.
This a one CD distro, it's not like SUSE or Debian, you don't have 5 CDs of programs to choice of. There is one program for each task ... if you want another one you have to download/apt-get it later.

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RE[4]: Baby Steps
by ThawkTH on Mon 29th May 2006 22:13 in reply to "RE[3]: Baby Steps"
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2005-07-06

You can certainly do all the above, and learning to do things has helped me to fall deeply, madly in love with apt (shhh! Don't tell anyone!)

Seriously though, a server install (don't use the livecd if you want to configure your install...it's simply designed to make things, well, simple) will give you the absolute barebones. From there you can install anything you do or do not want. Most DE/WM's are available and very easy to install.

For instance, if you have an ubuntu breezy cd but want to install kubuntu dapper then (if you have broadband) you can do a server install, modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the breezy to dapper, do an apt-get update, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. Don't want all the kubuntu apps? KDE is available too (as are, say, just the libs if you use gnome and want to run a KDE app).

Network config can be done from a console as far as I know (though I am having trouble with this darn d-link/madwifi/dapper combo and no GUI at all).

Also, the installer has a few advanced options.

Edited 2006-05-29 22:13

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