Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 4th Jun 2006 13:01 UTC
Gnome I enjoy using many different desktop environments and operating systems. On a day-to-day basis, I use Finder, Explorer, GNOME, and KDE. They all have their good sides, but obviously, they have their fair share of bad sides as well. The next couple of columns will be about the latter. This week, I take a look at whatever bothers me about Ubuntu's GNOME/Linux combination (Dapper, obviously).
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stolennomenclature
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2006-06-05

I don't agree with your critism of the author in respect to posting bug reports. We rightly all have freedom of choice - not everyone wants to be an unpaid beta tester and file bug reports. Some people just want to use software, not fix it. (In the same way many developers dont use the software they write - and hence why they rely on users to file bug reports - its the same difference).

I like driving cars but I don't want to get under them with a spanner and an oily rag. Despite that I still have a right to complain about my car when it does not work properly, without having the car dealership responding with "why dont you help us fix it".

In the same way that people can drive cars without also reparing them, I don't see any logical objection to someone making a critique without haveing also to be "contributing" in some way. I am sure IT journalists do not contribute to every IT project they critique.

With regard to the filing a bug report, I have tried to do so in the past, but the process of finding out how to do it, and of collecting together supporting doco is not trivial. Much more than an ordinary user would want to be bothered with.

As to his coment about the taskbar buttons, its hard to imagine that none of the Gnome developers are aware of that issue. Or the slow redraws.

The one problem I continually find with comments posted on internet forums is this aspect of questioning the rights of people to make comments. I think anyone should be able to make any comment they like about anything, for whatever reason. It is primarily what they say that is at issue, not whhy they say it or who they are. So critique WHAT they say but not the author and his right to say it.

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iphitus Member since:
2006-03-27

Of course, but if the developers dont know, how is it that the program can be fixed?

Car companies have millions to test their cars so that users dont need to file bugs. A majority of open source developers don't have any money for testing, nor extensive testing resources, so an analogy to a car, is hardly relevant.

By using an open source program, you're volunteering to be an upaid beta tester, because most developers simply cannot do so themselves, or do not receive sufficient testing during various pre-release stages.

Holwerda seems capable of posting about his problems on osnews, so I'm sure he's more than capable of posting a bug report - and as mentioned by his comment has has done so in the past and I commend him.

My other point still stands, Holwerda should not criticise those who are not responsible, configuration issues and such, are not something that should be blamed on the GNOME developers. Take the slow redraw as an example, that only occurs in the latest cairo iirc, ubuntu could well have shipped the version before and this issue would not have existed. And a bug in cairo isnt a bug in gnome... so the blame lies not on the gnome developers here, but elsewhere. Forgive me if it isnt cairo, it may have been gtk or gtk-engines that was responsible for this.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

olwerda should not criticise those who are not responsible, configuration issues and such, are not something that should be blamed on the GNOME developers.

Do you even READ? Re-read the column, then dive into the comments, and see how I said 55985903593 times that I was talking about the COMBINATION, not just GNOME itself. Let me quote the relevant paragraph from the column for you:

"I enjoy using many different desktop environments and operating systems. On a day-to-day basis, I use Finder, Explorer, GNOME, and KDE. They all have their good sides, but obviously, they have their fair share of bad sides as well. The next couple of columns will be about the latter. This week, I take a look at whatever bothers me about Ubuntu's GNOME/Linux combination (Dapper, obviously).

I specifically say 'combination', as some of the things that bother me when using GNOME are more related to the kernel or other parts of the distribution than to GNOME itself."


Emphasis added. So NO, your point does NOT stand.

Edited 2006-06-05 10:48

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