Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 8th Jun 2006 00:08 UTC, submitted by diegocg
Windows Microsoft released Vista Beta 2 for public consumption. It does not require a Key but will expire on June 1 2007. You can download the 3GB ISOs (or from here) for 32bit and 64bit architectures.
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RE: 3GB ISO?
by diegocg on Thu 8th Jun 2006 02:13 UTC in reply to "3GB ISO?"
diegocg
Member since:
2005-07-08

1) They are probably including all the debug symbols.

2) XP used to come in a CD but that doesn't means it "fits" in a CD. Back in 2001, there were not too many DVDs. For XP, Microsoft probably had to take out many things. Specially weird drivers, but there's also many "kits" that you had to download from Microsoft's web page.


Now that DVDs are really mainstream, Microsoft can afford to put a DVD of crap there. Extra drivers, for example. Who cares, really? - it's just one DVD

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RE[2]: 3GB ISO?
by Jody on Thu 8th Jun 2006 02:35 in reply to "RE: 3GB ISO?"
Jody Member since:
2005-06-30

It isn't the fact that it is 3 gig that I have a problem with.

My problem is that it is now 3 gig and still doesn't come with cool software to play with.

They could bundle software for common tasks that is spyware free, for instance.

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RE[3]: 3GB ISO?
by diegocg on Thu 8th Jun 2006 02:42 in reply to "RE[2]: 3GB ISO?"
diegocg Member since:
2005-07-08

My problem is that it is now 3 gig and still doesn't come with cool software to play with.

And my point is that those 3 GB include many debugging symbols (debugging symbols take a LOT of space, and we linux users are smart enought to use apt-like systems instead of fscking .isos to deliver software) that you don't get with a linux distro and drivers that you don't get with a linux distro.

Edited 2006-06-08 02:43

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RE[3]: 3GB ISO?
by Axord on Thu 8th Jun 2006 05:07 in reply to "RE[2]: 3GB ISO?"
Axord Member since:
2005-06-30

They could bundle software for common tasks that is spyware free, for instance.

Antitrust concerns make this a non-starter, I believe.

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RE[3]: 3GB ISO?
by Deviate_X on Thu 8th Jun 2006 10:06 in reply to "RE[2]: 3GB ISO?"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

Jody: "It isn't the fact that it is 3 gig that I have a problem with.
My problem is that it is now 3 gig and still doesn't come with cool software to play with.
They could bundle software for common tasks that is spyware free, for instance."


Roughly speaking - you are actually getting all the features of Media Center and all the Features of Tablet PC operating systems combined.

The Media Center features and tablet features are very slick and very cool all by themselves.

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RE[2]: 3GB ISO?
by ma_d on Thu 8th Jun 2006 02:39 in reply to "RE: 3GB ISO?"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

And the thing is, once you're over 800MB and have no hope of getting on a CD you then have a new limitation on size. Since you're going to require a DVD anyway, you might as well fill it up.

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RE[2]: 3GB ISO?
by SlackerJack on Thu 8th Jun 2006 15:07 in reply to "RE: 3GB ISO?"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Debug symbols, WTF?, there is no way that takes up so much space, what are you smoking?

What actually comes with Vista, a office suit?, seems to me it's code bloat and you can expect as XP does to grow to at least 4-5Gb.

But hey we all have 200Gb hard drives, dual layer dvd writers and 1Gb of ram right?

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RE[3]: 3GB ISO?
by falemagn on Thu 8th Jun 2006 15:46 in reply to "RE[2]: 3GB ISO?"
falemagn Member since:
2005-07-06

> Debug symbols, WTF?, there is no way that takes up
> so much space, what are you smoking?

$ g++ -o parse parse.cc -I /usr/include/boost-1_33_1/ -Os -g
$ ls -l parse
-rwxr-xr-x 1 libero Nessuno 5672196 Jun 8 17:40 parse
$ strip parse.exe
$ ls -l parse
-rwxr-xr-x 1 libero Nessuno 314368 Jun 8 17:41 parse

A 1800% increase in size sounds like "much space" more to me, indeed.

That's with cygwin, btw, so one can't say it's ELF's fault. Notice how it's compiled with -Os too.

Edited 2006-06-08 15:47

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