Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Jun 2006 22:16 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source It's time for the Windows and Linux communities to drop the religious war and get together in a hurry to put the strengths of each operating system to best use, according to a nationally recognized authority on Windows Server. At the same time, Microsoft has been reaching out to the open-source community to try to find ways to overcome the incompatibilities between software distributed under the GNU General Public License and its own commercial software.
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Strange comment.
by rcsteiner on Tue 13th Jun 2006 22:36 UTC
rcsteiner
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2005-07-12

Most open source projects tend to depend heavily on compatibilty with proprietary software, whether it be through the support of proprietary file formats, support for proprietary filesystems, or support for proprietary communications protocols.

In fact, some major open source projects (e.g., Samba) exist almost solely for that purpose.

It's normally the reverse that isn't true. Microsoft does not have a stellar track record when it comes to opening their formats and protocols, while most open source projects provide all required information for the file and communications protocols they use (or else they use file and communications protocols which have already been completely and openly documented).

If Microsoft really wants to "overcome the incompatibilities between software distributed under the GNU General Public License and its own commercial software", they would release information to the public regarding those things which would aid both sides in interoperating.

At the moment, they seem to talk a lot about it while doing absoltuely nothing.

Edited 2006-06-13 22:38

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RE: Strange comment.
by chlordane on Wed 14th Jun 2006 00:12 in reply to "Strange comment."
chlordane Member since:
2006-05-11

>they would release information to the public regarding those things which would aid both sides in interoperating.<

I think the thing that would help both sides would be source-code..or Hell, just embracing the open-source community like Apple does....

I think Bill has made enough money...

Just a thought ^_^

"At the moment, they seem to talk a lot about it while doing absoltuely nothing."

Well said man, well said...

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RE[2]: Strange comment.
by Varg Vikernes on Wed 14th Jun 2006 00:19 in reply to "RE: Strange comment."
Varg Vikernes Member since:
2005-07-06


I think the thing that would help both sides would be source-code..or Hell, just embracing the open-source community like Apple does....


Hahaha.

Just a thought ^_^

Please don't think anymore.

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RE: Strange comment.
by ma_d on Wed 14th Jun 2006 00:59 in reply to "Strange comment."
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

The GPL "getting along" with proprietary software goes completely against the spirit of the license and the movement that has backed it, solely, for so long.

Microsoft is pretending to want to play nice so they can slander FOSS in the press about how it didn't want to work with them to "better mankind." When in reality it didn't want to be crushed to better Bill's stock options.

It's a common tactic to call anyone with serious intentions that don't waver religious: And it's bloody stupid too. Would you call a libertarian religious because he's obsessed with personal responsibility and free markets? No, that'd be foolish. Would you call a Marxist religious because of his zeal against organized religion?
Would you call a FOSS advocate religious because he believes he's found a much better system for creating software?

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RE: Strange comment.
by hal2k1 on Wed 14th Jun 2006 05:58 in reply to "Strange comment."
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//If Microsoft really wants to "overcome the incompatibilities between software distributed under the GNU General Public License and its own commercial software", they would release information to the public regarding those things which would aid both sides in interoperating. //

I think Microsoft are not talking at all about interoperability here.

What Microsoft wants to do is use the code of open source projects in its own offerings, but be allowed to charge end users even though Microsoft didn't write the code. Microsoft already did this trick with the BSD TCP/IP stack.

IMO Microsoft wants to be able to use the open source code without having to provide the source back to anyone.

Here is someone else who has interpreted this in the same way:

http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/13/195257&from=rss

From that article:

Bob Muglia, who was quoted in the article as saying, "The GPL has an inherent incompatibility that is, to my knowledge, impossible to overcome."

" Having planted his falsehood, Muglia is then seen retreating back into his allegedly reasonable stand. You know the one. It seems he is open to open source licenses like the ones the BSDs or MIT use. And why not? Microsoft learned TCP from BSD and stole Kerberos from MIT. What really frustrates Microsoft about the GPL is not so much its terms, which protect the rights of developers and users, but rather that the GPL defends code from intellectual piracy."

Edited 2006-06-14 06:04

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