Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 29th Jun 2006 01:33 UTC
Linux Linux has one, last, chance to become the No1 OS in a particular consumer-oriented market (not counting servers): the mobile phone market. The open nature and yes, the hype around Linux has made lots of mobile-oriented companies to consider using Linux for their next-generation cellphones. But there is a major problem on the way to success, a problem which is created not by Linux itself, but by the greed and close-mindness of these same companies that endorse Linux.
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Eugenia
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2005-06-28

You start to get on my nervers, because you are taking things into your own spin.

>Which is three different incompatible platforms right there.

Yes, because they are different OSes. I am not asking in my article to have ALL cellphones to be compatible. I am asking the LINUX-based cellphones to be compatible.

>Which aren't compatible with UIQ from Ericsson (also Symbian) or anyone else.

UIQ is not S60. It has a different GUI, it is not source compatible, it was never meant to be. UIQ was created by a third party company and THEN nokia bought them. Nokia wanted to CLOSE them down (exactly because they didn't want to confuse their users with S60 and UIQ), but Sony Ericsson needed them because SE didn't wanna use S60.

And besides, who told you that I am happy about UIQ and S60 not being compatible? I am not happy about it either! Closing down UIQ and adding touchcreen support on S60 is the right thing to do.

>Right, and that's why Palm is now using WinMob on the Treo, because of good compatibility with PalmOS, right?

Please! Palm goes with Windows because PalmOS is DEAD. And Windows Mobile has over 30 phones out there, it has ALREADY an ESTABLISHED application base of 20,000 apps.

> And seriously, get a grip, no one but you really cares.

Most people don't care, that's true. But more and more, do care, especially young people. In the future, most people will require their phone to do "more". And all I am asking is for the available platforms today, to be READY for that day. And for Linux to play a ROLE in that future, it MUST be compatible with its incarnations.

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

You start to get on my nervers, because you are taking things into your own spin.

If by "your own spin" you mean I actually worked in the cell phone industry and know the history and reality of the situation, then sure.

Yes, because they are different OSes. I am not asking in my article to have ALL cellphones to be compatible. I am asking the LINUX-based cellphones to be compatible.

Why should all Linux based cellphones be compatible when (demonstrable) no other cellphones are? And to try and lump that with Linux's future possibilities is just silly.

UIQ is not S60. It has a different GUI, it is not source compatible, it was never meant to be. UIQ was created by a third party company and THEN nokia bought them. Nokia wanted to CLOSE them down (exactly because they didn't want to confuse their users with S60 and UIQ), but Sony Ericsson needed them because SE didn't wanna use S60.

Sorry but wrong. I worked for Ericsson during the Psion/Symbian split. The concept from day one was that each provider could and would have their own profiles. UIQ was one of Ericsson's profiles. They also had something closer to Series 60 which never made it to widespread production. That doesn't take into account Series 70 or any of the other Symbian derivatives that were around before Nokia bought out most of the stake in Symbian. The rest of that comment is nonsense, Ericsson was one of the original 4 that formed Symbian, Nokia had no say or ability to close UIQ down (especially since UIQ didn't even exist when Symbian was created, it was Psion version 5 at that time).

And besides, who told you that I am happy about UIQ and S60 not being compatible? I am not happy about it either! Closing down UIQ and adding touchcreen support on S60 is the right thing to do.

Of course that won't happen and the reason is because cell phone providers don't need or want to be compatible.

Please! Palm goes with Windows because PalmOS is DEAD. And Windows Mobile has over 30 phones out there, it has ALREADY an ESTABLISHED application base of 20,000 apps.

Wow! 30 phones! Wow! Of course, Nokia, by itself, has more than that many GSM models and they run on at least 5 different operating systems (two regular cell phone systems, Series 30, Series 60 and their Linux devices).

Most people don't care, that's true. But more and more, do care, especially young people. In the future, most people will require their phone to do "more". And all I am asking is for the available platforms today, to be READY for that day. And for Linux to play a ROLE in that future, it MUST be compatible with its incarnations.

Sorry but there is no data that young people or anyone else (except you) cares beyond the ability to interoperate at the SMS/MMS and IM level. The fact that people are willing to spend more for a poor 10 second ringtone then they do for an entire song on iTMS should clue you in on that. You might was well save yourself some time and end this crusade now. Especially since you don't seem to be terribly familiar with the cell phone industry or how it works.

Edited 2006-06-29 05:52

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TBPrince Member since:
2005-07-06

Actually, the fact that many smartphones are incompatible with each other is a matter of no-one forcing them to do that. And that's part of the fact that industry behind Linux is weak.

If you look at Windows Mobile, for example, you will notice that most apps built on 2003 will work on 2005 (before you ask: I checked that on my own. Did u?). Same goes for Java (installed many J2ME applets on different phones and most of them perfectly worked.)

Saying that SmartPhones don't need to be compatible with each other is wrong. They should. Of course, each vendor tries to build a semi-exclusive eco-system to force users to choose its phones and thus it's a matter of software makers to force them to keep their phones compatible. Microsoft does this. Sun (with Java) does this.

Eugenia is right when she says that phones should be compatible, expecially from users' perspective. When you say people only wants phones to be able to do phone calls you simply demonstrate not to know that industry you said you were part of. Many large companies are planning to switch part of their notebook base from notebook themselves to smart phones like WM5-enabled phones. A few customers asked my company to evaluate the possibility to move part of their internal applications to smart devices. Sure, you have some 13 y/o kids or 60 y/o grannies who wish phones to be able to call only, but you can't account them for the whole industry.

And you know what? Reason why WindowsMobile is getting huge marketshare is not only because they're good devices, but also because they're compatible with most data you might have on your desktop PC.

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Cloudy Member since:
2006-02-15

Of course that won't happen and the reason is because cell phone providers don't need or want to be compatible.

Neither Moto nor Nokia now think that way. Moto is working hard to reduce the number of OSes and profiles they have to deal with, as is Nokia.

While it was once true, the major players are discovering that they can reduce costs dramatically by reducing the number of OSes they support.

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stare Member since:
2005-07-06

Nokia, by itself, has more than that many GSM models and they run on at least 5 different operating systems (two regular cell phone systems, Series 30, Series 60 and their Linux devices).

Get your facts. Nokia only use 2 OSes on their phones: Series 30/40 platform which is based on a propietary embedded os and Series 60/80/90 platform which share the same Symbian OS core and base UI classes. Nokia doesnt use Linux on phones.

Cell phone providers are perfectly happy making things difficult for developers and developers are perfectly happy having things be difficult as long as they can continue charging 10x more than what a PC developer would be able to charge for an app. The fact that users are inconvienced is irrelevant.

This fact mean less sales, so carriers and developers are definitely not happy with it.

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