"The impending release of Windows Vista with its fancy Aero Glass special effects, along with the hasty addition of the similar XGL and Compiz technologies to the latest SUSE Linux release makes me think that programmers have a warped idea of what desktop computing is about. For some reason, many GNU/Linux users are concerned about competing feature-for-feature with Vista, while Apple and Microsoft struggle to add more graphical extras to their already graphics-intensive desktop OSes. It's gotten so that you need a serious 3D video card (with proprietary drivers) and a fairly fast computer just to keep up with desktop environments. Whatever happened to being productive and having fun?"
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Member since:2005-12-05
Again - I was relating only to GTK and GNOME, since you stated that they are slow, "buttslow".
Hmm... in that case our discussion is pointless.
You said that. You probably know better. If you plan on polluting this forum with GNUstep no_matter_what evangelism deaf on arguments then maybe next time place some warning in your post - just so I could avoid wasting my time.
Member since:2005-10-02
If you don't know other DE's than mainstream DE's then you don't have the knowledge necessary to decide whether or not they are butt slow. You need more than one kind of reference. You do not appear to have other references than Gnome and GTK+ in which case the discussion is pointless.
I have had the pleasure to be acquainted with several DE's including OS/2 (and eComStation), BeOS, AmigaOS (and AROS), GEOS, several pseudo-DE's for MS/PC-DOS, 16-bit Windows, "32"-bit Windows, true 32-bit Windows, Gnome 1.x, 2.x, KDE 1.x, 3.x, Mac OS Classic and OS X, SkyOS, Syllable, EDE, GNUstep, XFCE, and several minimalist shells for X11 (however, they don't qualify as true DE's).
At least some knowledge about alternatives are necessary. If you only know Gnome and GTK+ how are you supposed to know if they are butt slow in comparison to what we could have had?
The redrawing problem which you dismisses as being a minor nuissance, is to me a direct disaster - I know it can be so much better. And GLX isn't the solution - it's just a way to hide the symptoms.
And btw: It's perfectly possible to run X11 in 64 MB of RAM. You should try it. But not with any memory hungry DE. It is very unpleasant 
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2005-10-02
Actually I don't have any GNUstep experience of my own,
Hmm... in that case our discussion is pointless.