Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Aug 2005 20:49 UTC
Original OSNews Interviews The news that Apple is going to switch to Intel processors shook up the computing world. Many users and developers were eager to publish their opinions on the switch. However, one group of people were totally neglected during all this: resellers. Today, we feature an interview with Wim Schermer, first Dutchman to own a Mac (in 1984), and co-founder of one of the biggest Apple retail stores in The Netherlands, MacSupport. We discuss the switch to Intel, and much more.
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RE[15]: Price
by kellym on Fri 5th Aug 2005 18:30 UTC in reply to "RE[14]: Price"
kellym
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2005-07-06

"just like Apple. You do pay for the branding, and there is nothing wrong with that."

Thats the misconception. You're NOT baying more for branding. You're paying more, for more product... and no I'm not referring to better design or anything else that might be regarded as subjective. I'm referring to you getting more... and so you pay more. When you look at it like that, you're not actually paying more... you're just getting fewer options to choose less and thus pay less. A PC equipped with the same specs in hardware software and operating system will cost the same (if not more) than any Macintosh.

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RE[16]: Price
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 5th Aug 2005 18:52 in reply to "RE[15]: Price"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm referring to you getting more... and so you pay more.

Kelly, Kelly, Kelly. I told you already in various threads, and even on AIM: this is a totallly subjective matter and not as black&white as you're putting it here. *You* might find that you're getting "more" when you buy a Mac, but for someone else, say a heavy gamer, that simply doesn't go! That gamer will be a lot better off with an x86 machine, because we all know that most games are made for x86 first, and then for Mac (if at all).

You see? People like us, Mac users, we get "more" from our Mac and pay for that "more". However, not everyone sees the things you get with a Mac as "more". If Joe wants to play games, a Mac will be useless to him.

You get it now? I'm really starting to lose my patience here.

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RE[17]: Price
by kellym on Fri 5th Aug 2005 19:24 in reply to "RE[16]: Price"
kellym Member since:
2005-07-06

"That gamer will be a lot better off with an x86 machine, because we all know that most games are made for x86 first, and then for Mac (if at all)."

Thom, as I replied back to you... you are 100% correct but not for the reasons you're eluding to. Yes, an x86 machine *IS* better for games, but not because of its better price but because of its adaptability and configurability. You're able to buy the parts that are more specific to your needs. In essence, you can buy more and spend more or buy less and spend less. That doesn't mean that PCs are less expensive, it simply means that they're more configurable.

Somewhere along the line you seem to think that I'm of the mindset that a Mac is the most ideal solution for all purposes. I know thats not the case and thats not what I've been saying. Rather, I'm simply contesting the statement that a Mac is the more expensive machine. It *CAN* be if you want to only buy specific hardware and nothing more, but as I've been saying repeatedly over and over again... "A Mac is not more expensive than a comparably equipped PC." And thats true.

I find it concerning that so many have such a hard time clinging to that concept.

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RE[16]: Price
by on Fri 5th Aug 2005 19:23 in reply to "RE[15]: Price"
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> Thats the misconception. You're NOT baying more for branding. You're paying more, for more product...

The real misconception is that things like FW800, GigE, optical digital IO etc that Apple users seem to think as high end features are actually quite cheap. Low end PCs don't include them, so if you have no need for them anyway, you're better off. If you do need them, adding them afterwards still does not raise the price very much.

Apple can only offer a limited set of configurations. If they happen to suit you, great, but PCs offer much more choice. Tell me, what are your options from Apple if you want a computer with a more powerful card than a Radeon 9600? What is the cheapest Apple computer with FW800? Can I equip any of them with two GigE ports besides the PMG5? Or RAID?

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RE[17]: Price
by dru_satori on Fri 5th Aug 2005 19:47 in reply to "RE[16]: Price"
dru_satori Member since:
2005-07-06

This isn't necessarily a bad thing :-), it also means that the OS has fewer permutation of a configuration to support, and reduces the risk of the old Modem and COM port conflicts that plagued Windows until Windows 2000 :-), or the Network card driver stomping on Video card memory in ring 0 causing a kernel panic and BSOD in Windows XP, because they are trying to share an interupt or DMA channel. It's the old trade off of control and consistancy versus freedom and inconsistancy. Both have pros and cons.

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